Dmc

[Primer]

DMC has been playing unreal fucking good. He's averaging over 36 points per game on their current 3 game win streak. They aren't trading him. Thread over.

[feet85]

Do you guys think JV+ T-ross+ Raps 2016 1st +Den/NYK 2016 1st for DMC + Belli would be enough to get it done?

[ball4life]

I think you're completely wrong with everything your wrote here. Boogie is a bigger star than everyone I suggested trading for, and he's signed long term on a good priced deal. The fact you think Miami wouldn't swap Bosh for Boogie in a heartbeat is laughable (Bosh doesn't have any trade clause in his contract). Same with all the other trades too. The teams other than Sac are probably winning those trades, just not by much, so the motivation for the teams other than Sac is clear. Sacramento will have zero motivation to trade Boogie to Boston for a bunch of mid 1st round picks.

One other reason why this Boston pick collection wont cut the deal for Boogie is because Sac can't afford to start a rebuild with bunch of rookies. They just traded away their next three picks to the Sixers in a "salary dump" to sign Rondo(!). No incentive in developing rookies.

[Primer]

Yes, it is entirely possible to suggest contents from every team in the league that Sacramento would be thrilled to get for Boogie. Hey, you know what else? I bet Sacramento would LOVE to trade Boogie to Golden State for Steph Curry. But it's not going to happen, because teams don't trade the star player they've built their franchise around unless they're going into a rebuild phase or they don't have a choice. Atlanta isn't trading Al Horford, a multiple-time All-Star and the lynchpin of their franchise. Chris Bosh almost certainly has a no-trade clause in his contract. And so on and so forth. It doesn't make sense for a team to trade a star player for Boogie because trading a star for a star is an incremental upgrade, which is why it happens so rarely.

Sacramento isn't going to get stars in exchange for Boogie because there aren't any other disgruntled star players out there. They might be able to get a bad deal on a star who's often injured or is on the decline (like, say, Brook Lopez or Joe Johnson). But they'd be stupid to take that.

I think you're completely wrong with everything your wrote here. Boogie is a bigger star than everyone I suggested trading for, and he's signed long term on a good priced deal. The fact you think Miami wouldn't swap Bosh for Boogie in a heartbeat is laughable (Bosh doesn't have any trade clause in his contract). Same with all the other trades too. The teams other than Sac are probably winning those trades, just not by much, so the motivation for the teams other than Sac is clear. Sacramento will have zero motivation to trade Boogie to Boston for a bunch of mid 1st round picks.

[magoon]

For instance, Atlanta could offer Horford and Teague for DMC. Teague is an all star PG but expendable because the heir apparent Schroeder looks more than ready to take over. Horford isn't a natural C and is on the last year of his deal. You add those two to Sac and they are a much improved team. Atlanta gets a true C to put next to Millsap, and DMC gets to play the hyrbid C/PF role Horford has been playing in Budenholzer's offense (it's much different than the traditional C role).

Miami could offer Bosh and Justise Winslow. They get back an all star PF and a very promising young SF. Miami gets a deadly combo of DMC and Whiteside.

The Suns could offer Bledsoe and Chandler or Morris.

I could go on and on making much better offers than Boston could come up with if the goal is to get back star players, which is exactly what I think the goal would be if they deal DMC (I still say there is no chance they deal him).

Yes, it is entirely possible to suggest contents from every team in the league that Sacramento would be thrilled to get for Boogie. Hey, you know what else? I bet Sacramento would LOVE to trade Boogie to Golden State for Steph Curry. But it's not going to happen, because teams don't trade the star player they've built their franchise around unless they're going into a rebuild phase or they don't have a choice. Atlanta isn't trading Al Horford, a multiple-time All-Star and the lynchpin of their franchise. Chris Bosh almost certainly has a no-trade clause in his contract. And so on and so forth. It doesn't make sense for a team to trade a star player for Boogie because trading a star for a star is an incremental upgrade, which is why it happens so rarely.

Sacramento isn't going to get stars in exchange for Boogie because there aren't any other disgruntled star players out there. They might be able to get a bad deal on a star who's often injured or is on the decline (like, say, Brook Lopez or Joe Johnson). But they'd be stupid to take that.

[DanH]

I think the Raps are a viable potential bidder for DMC. Even if they hesitate to part with JV (and they might not, at all) they have a wealth of rookie scale/minimum deals, 4 picks in the next two years including a probable lotto pick this year, and a variety of young but established pieces - DeMar, Ross, Patterson, CoJo - plus loads of expiring if need be (DD, Biyombo, Scola, JJ).

[Primer]

Malone was the only one to convince hn hes big and strong and not a PG

Firing Malone was very shortsighted. They should have at least made sure whoever they hired next was ecstatic to work with DMC, not wanting to get rid of him immediately like Karl was. The relationship seemed doomed from the get go.

[raptors999]

Cousins has never had an ORTG over 110 and is a career ORTG @ 102. That's really bad efficiency, especially considering he has an insane USG rate well over 30 (WTF), for the past 3 seasons.

He's only had a TS% above 55% once in his career, a few years back. Again, that's pretty bad. It's no wonder he's constantly battling with his coaches over the years, because he's been chucking his teams out of games.

DMC is a classic volume "pseudo-star" who will become an addition-by-subtraction for the Kings when they trade him.

Malone was the only one to convince hn hes big and strong and not a PG

[golden]

Cousins has never had an ORTG over 110 and is a career ORTG @ 102. That's really bad efficiency, especially considering he has an insane USG rate well over 30 (WTF), for the past 3 seasons.

He's only had a TS% above 55% once in his career, a few years back. Again, that's pretty bad. It's no wonder he's constantly battling with his coaches over the years, because he's been chucking his teams out of games.

DMC is a classic volume "pseudo-star" who will become an addition-by-subtraction for the Kings when they trade him.

[raptors999]

You're just blindly assuming Sac would want picks and young players back, whereas I find it much more likely they want a star player back, which basically takes Boston out of the running.

For instance, Atlanta could offer Horford and Teague for DMC. Teague is an all star PG but expendable because the heir apparent Schroeder looks more than ready to take over. Horford isn't a natural C and is on the last year of his deal. You add those two to Sac and they are a much improved team. Atlanta gets a true C to put next to Millsap, and DMC gets to play the hyrbid C/PF role Horford has been playing in Budenholzer's offense (it's much different than the traditional C role).

Miami could offer Bosh and Justise Winslow. They get back an all star PF and a very promising young SF. Miami gets a deadly combo of DMC and Whiteside.

The Suns could offer Bledsoe and Chandler or Morris.

I could go on and on making much better offers than Boston could come up with if the goal is to get back star players, which is exactly what I think the goal would be if they deal DMC (I still say there is no chance they deal him).

Sacramento has had high draft picks every year for like the last 10 years and it hasn't amounted to squat. They're not going to be chomping at the bit to make more useless draft picks, they want established star players.

DMC is going to be K.Love whoever gets him will pay and regret it. Hope it's the Knicks

[Primer]

It's not a question of other teams not being interested. It's simple math: nobody can realistically outbid Boston for DMC. Minnesota isn't going to trade KAT for Boogie - they're comparable players in terms of star potential, but KAT is less... dramatic than Boogie is, to put it mildly. Dallas has literally nothing to offer - no draft picks, no players, nothing. Portland has young players they can trade, but Boston has better ones (since Portland isn't trading McCollum and Lillard) and all those picks. Orlando could do Vucevic/Hezonja/a first-rounder, maybe, and that's pretty good, but Orlando doesn't need to give away the farm to get Boogie, just like Minnesota doesn't - they're accelerating out of their rebuilds into competitiveness fast enough as it is. The Knicks could do it, but it would almost certainly mean trading Kristaps, and do you want to trade the new favorite player of every Knick fan who's also got a much cheaper salary for the next four years?

Boston is the only team that meets all of the following criteria:

1. Is trying to compete right now;
2. Has good young players but not really a potential star player, and certainly doesn't have young players they are unwilling to trade;
3. Has a wealth of draft picks.

Nobody's going to be able to outbid them. Nobody. It's entirely feasible that Boston can offer Sacramento Brooklyn's 2016 and 2018 picks, the pickswap with Brooklyn in 2017, plus... let's say Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder, perhaps? Or Crowder/Olynyk/Sullinger, which also works? That is literally a wealth of players and picks Sacramento gets in exchange for Boogie - the next three Brooklyn picks will ALL be lottery picks unless asteroids strike half the Eastern Conference cities. Any player Boston offers which Sacramento doesn't want, Sacramento can turn around to the rest of the league and say, for example, "hey, we've been offered Jae Crowder but we have Rudy Gay already, does anybody want a Jae Crowder" and multiple teams will say "yes" because Crowder's a good player and Sacramento can literally get players from across the league that they want for Boogie. If Sacramento doesn't want the picks (and it's stupid that they wouldn't, but whatever, it's Sacramento) those picks are going to have amazing value over the next three years and will have immense trade value.

If Sacramento trades Boogie, it's to Boston. Nothing else makes sense.

You're just blindly assuming Sac would want picks and young players back, whereas I find it much more likely they want a star player back, which basically takes Boston out of the running.

For instance, Atlanta could offer Horford and Teague for DMC. Teague is an all star PG but expendable because the heir apparent Schroeder looks more than ready to take over. Horford isn't a natural C and is on the last year of his deal. You add those two to Sac and they are a much improved team. Atlanta gets a true C to put next to Millsap, and DMC gets to play the hyrbid C/PF role Horford has been playing in Budenholzer's offense (it's much different than the traditional C role).

Miami could offer Bosh and Justise Winslow. They get back an all star PF and a very promising young SF. Miami gets a deadly combo of DMC and Whiteside.

The Suns could offer Bledsoe and Chandler or Morris.

I could go on and on making much better offers than Boston could come up with if the goal is to get back star players, which is exactly what I think the goal would be if they deal DMC (I still say there is no chance they deal him).

Sacramento has had high draft picks every year for like the last 10 years and it hasn't amounted to squat. They're not going to be chomping at the bit to make more useless draft picks, they want established star players.

[Bendit]

It's not a question of other teams not being interested. It's simple math: nobody can realistically outbid Boston for DMC. Minnesota isn't going to trade KAT for Boogie - they're comparable players in terms of star potential, but KAT is less... dramatic than Boogie is, to put it mildly. Dallas has literally nothing to offer - no draft picks, no players, nothing. Portland has young players they can trade, but Boston has better ones (since Portland isn't trading McCollum and Lillard) and all those picks. Orlando could do Vucevic/Hezonja/a first-rounder, maybe, and that's pretty good, but Orlando doesn't need to give away the farm to get Boogie, just like Minnesota doesn't - they're accelerating out of their rebuilds into competitiveness fast enough as it is. The Knicks could do it, but it would almost certainly mean trading Kristaps, and do you want to trade the new favorite player of every Knick fan who's also got a much cheaper salary for the next four years?

Boston is the only team that meets all of the following criteria:

1. Is trying to compete right now;
2. Has good young players but not really a potential star player, and certainly doesn't have young players they are unwilling to trade;
3. Has a wealth of draft picks.

Nobody's going to be able to outbid them. Nobody. It's entirely feasible that Boston can offer Sacramento Brooklyn's 2016 and 2018 picks, the pickswap with Brooklyn in 2017, plus... let's say Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder, perhaps? Or Crowder/Olynyk/Sullinger, which also works? That is literally a wealth of players and picks Sacramento gets in exchange for Boogie - the next three Brooklyn picks will ALL be lottery picks unless asteroids strike half the Eastern Conference cities. Any player Boston offers which Sacramento doesn't want, Sacramento can turn around to the rest of the league and say, for example, "hey, we've been offered Jae Crowder but we have Rudy Gay already, does anybody want a Jae Crowder" and multiple teams will say "yes" because Crowder's a good player and Sacramento can literally get players from across the league that they want for Boogie. If Sacramento doesn't want the picks (and it's stupid that they wouldn't, but whatever, it's Sacramento) those picks are going to have amazing value over the next three years and will have immense trade value.

If Sacramento trades Boogie, it's to Boston. Nothing else makes sense.

Thats a decent analysis except that you are making a large presumption that SAC is into draft picks.Eg. how would a player like Gay react to that. Did Karl sign on for a long rebuild? The Kings are moving into a spanking new facility I believe and I dont think that is going to appease the well heeled fan to invest in an expensive suite. I just do not see a good fit with Boston. As a matter of fact I lean towards no trade by the Kings...dumping Karl would be a less costly option strange as that might sound considering his deal. If they do in fact make a deal it would have to be established talent that can be sold immediately to all concerned including the team as fair return. Just thought of Phoenix and the Bucks. Tor can be in there but we will have to pay big.

But as someone else said here...who knows what the execs are breathing in their offices in Sactown?

[JimiCliff]

If Sacramento trades Boogie, it's to Boston. Nothing else makes sense.

Nah, Knicks trade for Porzingis is the best. New York does it because they're wasting the last of Carmelo's prime right now, and the fans would be fine with it, because with Melo/Cousins, and then a couple of other small additions, you're contending.

Plus, if I'm Sacto, the Boston offer just isn't enough. But Staps is.

[Snooch]

It's not a question of other teams not being interested. It's simple math: nobody can realistically outbid Boston for DMC. Minnesota isn't going to trade KAT for Boogie - they're comparable players in terms of star potential, but KAT is less... dramatic than Boogie is, to put it mildly. Dallas has literally nothing to offer - no draft picks, no players, nothing. Portland has young players they can trade, but Boston has better ones (since Portland isn't trading McCollum and Lillard) and all those picks. Orlando could do Vucevic/Hezonja/a first-rounder, maybe, and that's pretty good, but Orlando doesn't need to give away the farm to get Boogie, just like Minnesota doesn't - they're accelerating out of their rebuilds into competitiveness fast enough as it is. The Knicks could do it, but it would almost certainly mean trading Kristaps, and do you want to trade the new favorite player of every Knick fan who's also got a much cheaper salary for the next four years?

Boston is the only team that meets all of the following criteria:

1. Is trying to compete right now;
2. Has good young players but not really a potential star player, and certainly doesn't have young players they are unwilling to trade;
3. Has a wealth of draft picks.

Nobody's going to be able to outbid them. Nobody. It's entirely feasible that Boston can offer Sacramento Brooklyn's 2016 and 2018 picks, the pickswap with Brooklyn in 2017, plus... let's say Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder, perhaps? Or Crowder/Olynyk/Sullinger, which also works? That is literally a wealth of players and picks Sacramento gets in exchange for Boogie - the next three Brooklyn picks will ALL be lottery picks unless asteroids strike half the Eastern Conference cities. Any player Boston offers which Sacramento doesn't want, Sacramento can turn around to the rest of the league and say, for example, "hey, we've been offered Jae Crowder but we have Rudy Gay already, does anybody want a Jae Crowder" and multiple teams will say "yes" because Crowder's a good player and Sacramento can literally get players from across the league that they want for Boogie. If Sacramento doesn't want the picks (and it's stupid that they wouldn't, but whatever, it's Sacramento) those picks are going to have amazing value over the next three years and will have immense trade value.

If Sacramento trades Boogie, it's to Boston. Nothing else makes sense.

Depends on what sacramento wants.

If they do not want to go into a phase of losing and relying on draft picks they may not like bostons package...as it is geared towards a rebuild.

there are deals that would allow them to remain competitive now.

[magoon]

Apart from Magoon I notice that everyone while agreeing DC is a wonderful talent has not considered which of the other teams in the L would be competition for his services.

Surely there are others other than just Boston...LAL comes immediately to mind but the 2 franchises hate each other and they may not have the pieces. I can even see Minny trading Towns for DC. How about the Mavs...Cuban would be all over this. Portland? Denver...reuniting DC with Malone?

It's not a question of other teams not being interested. It's simple math: nobody can realistically outbid Boston for DMC. Minnesota isn't going to trade KAT for Boogie - they're comparable players in terms of star potential, but KAT is less... dramatic than Boogie is, to put it mildly. Dallas has literally nothing to offer - no draft picks, no players, nothing. Portland has young players they can trade, but Boston has better ones (since Portland isn't trading McCollum and Lillard) and all those picks. Orlando could do Vucevic/Hezonja/a first-rounder, maybe, and that's pretty good, but Orlando doesn't need to give away the farm to get Boogie, just like Minnesota doesn't - they're accelerating out of their rebuilds into competitiveness fast enough as it is. The Knicks could do it, but it would almost certainly mean trading Kristaps, and do you want to trade the new favorite player of every Knick fan who's also got a much cheaper salary for the next four years?

Boston is the only team that meets all of the following criteria:

1. Is trying to compete right now;
2. Has good young players but not really a potential star player, and certainly doesn't have young players they are unwilling to trade;
3. Has a wealth of draft picks.

Nobody's going to be able to outbid them. Nobody. It's entirely feasible that Boston can offer Sacramento Brooklyn's 2016 and 2018 picks, the pickswap with Brooklyn in 2017, plus... let's say Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder, perhaps? Or Crowder/Olynyk/Sullinger, which also works? That is literally a wealth of players and picks Sacramento gets in exchange for Boogie - the next three Brooklyn picks will ALL be lottery picks unless asteroids strike half the Eastern Conference cities. Any player Boston offers which Sacramento doesn't want, Sacramento can turn around to the rest of the league and say, for example, "hey, we've been offered Jae Crowder but we have Rudy Gay already, does anybody want a Jae Crowder" and multiple teams will say "yes" because Crowder's a good player and Sacramento can literally get players from across the league that they want for Boogie. If Sacramento doesn't want the picks (and it's stupid that they wouldn't, but whatever, it's Sacramento) those picks are going to have amazing value over the next three years and will have immense trade value.

If Sacramento trades Boogie, it's to Boston. Nothing else makes sense.