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A.I wrote: View PostYou know how we stop being stuck in the middle? Fire Casey, trade/don't re-sign DD, thats the start.
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Guys like Barnes and Carroll are solid, but I wouldn't call them special. If we choose to rebuild, I wouldn't skip out unless we can get a special player. I like Barnes, but honestly he is a lot closer to Ross than he is to Pierce. He takes crazy layups to avoid contact, isn't going to create for others, and although he can post up, I wouldn't call it a threat, as he generally ends up taking a contested fade.
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I Wonder how desperate the Rockets are to be fleeced if we offer them Lowry?!
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TRex wrote: View PostEvery player in this league is flawed. There's no perfect basketball player. HB's biggest weakness IMO is his off the dribble game.
I've followed Barnes career since he was a freshman at UNC. When i first saw him play, my first impression was, Paul Pierce. That hasn't changed. I believe in this guy.
Barnes > DeRozan. I don't think it's even close.
Lowry offensively > Joseph. But Joseph IMO overall is the better player. MUCH better defender, better playmaker/decision maker. Higher bball IQ.
So i don't think they're going to lose much if they lose Lowry/DeRozan.
Raps would be in much better shape going forward with Barnes, JV, Carroll, Joseph + the draft picks/young players that they can get for Lowry and DeRozan + the Knicks/Nuggets draft pick.
But I disagree on Barnes, I've watched a couple Warriors games and he just doesn't seem to think the game well.
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20-25 mil for a SF who isn't great at anything besides spot up shooting? Jeez
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psrs1 wrote: View PostI
I thought MU said we would not be stuck in the middle? DD is the key--whatever MU ultimately decides to do will drive everything else. We are currently a treadmill team. I like DD's loyalty and work ethic. I really would like to see how efficient he could be under a different coach before blowing things up. We certainly have options which is better then say the Knicks situation.
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planetmars wrote: View PostWinning a playoffs series requires a super star or a great system (both typically means you're a finals contender). Raptors have neither, and the latter should be easier to achieve. So get rid of Casey. Bring in a new coach/system, and then surround players that fit that system.
DD is not going to help many systems because of his lack of 3 point shooting. Lowry appears to be too hard to reign in at times. Both probably need to go.. and then you look for guys that work well within a system that can be successful.
CoJo can be used as the primary guard for Lowry.. Wright as his backup. Bring in a guy that has been in successful systems (Horford or Batum seem like good fits). And go from there.
No need to tank.. but priority #1 has to be a new coach.
Once you have the system.. then you can look for super stars. Hopefully by the time the system is rolling Wiggins is a star and leaves Minnesota. That's always plan B anyway (plan A should still be KD).
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Scraptor wrote: View PostOP, your premise is flawed. You don't dump Lowry/Derozan for a Harrison Barnes max contract. This is from the article you referenced:
Barnes (plus Jonas, Cojo) will be good enough to keep us from stockpiling additional high lotto picks.
If you want to scrap the whole thing, dump everyone, aim for a high pick now and add Barnes-type players once you've built your foundation.
I've followed Barnes career since he was a freshman at UNC. When i first saw him play, my first impression was, Paul Pierce. That hasn't changed. I believe in this guy.
Barnes > DeRozan. I don't think it's even close.
Lowry offensively > Joseph. But Joseph IMO overall is the better player. MUCH better defender, better playmaker/decision maker. Higher bball IQ.
So i don't think they're going to lose much if they lose Lowry/DeRozan.
Raps would be in much better shape going forward with Barnes, JV, Carroll, Joseph + the draft picks/young players that they can get for Lowry and DeRozan + the Knicks/Nuggets draft pick.Last edited by The Great One; Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:30 PM.
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Winning a playoffs series requires a super star or a great system (both typically means you're a finals contender). Raptors have neither, and the latter should be easier to achieve. So get rid of Casey. Bring in a new coach/system, and then surround players that fit that system.
DD is not going to help many systems because of his lack of 3 point shooting. Lowry appears to be too hard to reign in at times. Both probably need to go.. and then you look for guys that work well within a system that can be successful.
CoJo can be used as the primary guard for Lowry.. Wright as his backup. Bring in a guy that has been in successful systems (Horford or Batum seem like good fits). And go from there.
No need to tank.. but priority #1 has to be a new coach.
Once you have the system.. then you can look for super stars. Hopefully by the time the system is rolling Wiggins is a star and leaves Minnesota. That's always plan B anyway (plan A should still be KD).
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Barnes can't create offense consistently for himself. He struggled badly (PER < 10) as the first option off the bench against other team's second units. I repeat, he struggled against other team's bench players. He thrives as a 3rd or 4th option, when you surround him with historically great offensive players to attract attention away and get him easy shots.
Yes, he was the #1 rated high school player in the nation, before he entered college. But so was B.J. Mullens. lol. Barnes is way over-hyped because of that early rating, IMO. Steph Curry wasn't even good enough to be ranked in HS. LOL.
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You know how we stop being stuck in the middle? Fire Casey, trade/don't re-sign DD, thats the start.
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Henry_Chinaski wrote: View PostI'd say it's not that bad to be 4th best after Curry, Thompson and Green. All three are superb players and all three are better than any Raps player.
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Changes are needed but you can't trade DeRozan inoff season unless he opts in...which ain't happening. Trade Lowry in offseason no problem.
Options for DD:
1) trade him before deadline
2) let him walk in offseason and use his cap hold elsewhere
3) sign him and trade him after dec.15/16
I'd assume trade him and Lowry before deadline.
This team blows and is not fun to watch
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