DeRozan and Lowry will end up being the best raptors of all time

[nubreed000]

Derozan will never impact a game the way Vince did. Lowry, yes, but not Demar. For all the added skills, Demar still doesn't really function within the team system all that well (better than before? yes, but still not where he should be) and it's too easy to shut him down.

[Just Is]

Lowry remembers his emotion on that day.

“Two and done and I'm going home,” he said.

He wanted nothing to do with the Raptors.

“I figured two years and I'd be a free agent and go somewhere else. This wasn't where I wanted to be. I tell people that all the time. You can't predict your future. You have to live it by the day.

Soo yea i would classify that as being a brat.

...and you'd be wrong (if that's your definition of being a brat).

Not wanting to stay somewhere doesn't make you a brat. Not even close. Especially since it didn't impact his play or his attitude here.

[bertarapsfan]

...that's a ... interesting take. I literally disagree with everything here except for the second sentence.

Especially given the reason Lowry stayed is pretty well known [from the man himself] and the reason WASN'T Demar. It was Masai (and to a lesser extent, Billups).

In regards to the underlined...no. No, he wasn't. Especially given his reaction to being benched for Calderon and agreeing to play like a poor man's Calderon at that as well [despite being clearly better].

In regards to the bold...just no.



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Lowry remembers his emotion on that day.

“Two and done and I'm going home,” he said.

He wanted nothing to do with the Raptors.

“I figured two years and I'd be a free agent and go somewhere else. This wasn't where I wanted to be. I tell people that all the time. You can't predict your future. You have to live it by the day.

Soo yea i would classify that as being a brat.

[Just Is]

Demar could get us to back to back first round exits without lowry

The Raptors aren't a playoff team without Lowry [for the last two years; this year though, without Lowry, I could see them being in that 7 to 12 seed race].

The only possible argument for having Demar above Lowry (or Carter and Bosh) is longevity. That's it. Take Lowry away from the team; and the longevity wouldn't even matter.

[A.I]

Demar could get us to back to back first round exits without lowry

I'm not so sure the Raptors would make the Playoffs without Lowry.

[bertarapsfan]

Demar could get us to back to back first round exits without lowry

[bertarapsfan]

...that's a ... interesting take. I literally disagree with everything here except for the second sentence.

Especially given the reason Lowry stayed is pretty well known [from the man himself] and the reason WASN'T Demar. It was Masai (and to a lesser extent, Billups).

In regards to the underlined...no. No, he wasn't. Especially given his reaction to being benched for Calderon and agreeing to play like a poor man's Calderon at that as well [despite being clearly better].

In regards to the bold...just no.


That was one of the key things I saw there given all the evidence against this. Demar owes a LOT to Lowry [as was highlighted earlier this year when comparing Demar and Lowry when both are on the court and when one is off (and this is something that also easily passes the eye test as well). That's not a knock against Demar either.

Im not talking to talent or best player here man.. im approaching it from the thread title. Who ends up being thought of as the greatest raptors. And yea i know masai and billups were huge for him but i still think he would go elsewere if we didnt have Demar. Having Demar made lowry see us a having a decent shot to be outside contenders in the east. Without demar a see Kyle going somewhere else trying to win a title with a team.

Again im not taking into account the play off Lowry and Demar tog on the court. Yes i agree Kyle has helped improve Demar's game more than vice versa. But we're debating whoo will go down as greatest raptors and that's my take

[Barolt]

No not curry or paul. top 15 pg in the last 2 year instead of lowry we in the same position. Let me remind you we only have 1 full season of the star lowry. (this year and first half of last year) he has done nothing for us in playoffs. Yea he got us their but he hasnt moved the needle very much. I think with another pg we could make the playoffs and lose 1st round yea. Once lowry shows up in the playoffs ill give him his do. But to this point he has been a regular season stat stuffer who failed to take that next level in playoffs. Again a good showing this year and it could sway my opinion

No. DeMar's shown NO ability to lead the team as the number one guy.

[bertarapsfan]

No not curry or paul. top 15 pg in the last 2 year instead of lowry we in the same position. Let me remind you we only have 1 full season of the star lowry. (this year and first half of last year) he has done nothing for us in playoffs. Yea he got us their but he hasnt moved the needle very much. I think with another pg we could make the playoffs and lose 1st round yea. Once lowry shows up in the playoffs ill give him his do. But to this point he has been a regular season stat stuffer who failed to take that next level in playoffs. Again a good showing this year and it could sway my opinion

[Just Is]

Im not ranking best raptor based on talent. lowry's the better player. But i think Demar developing within the raps was more important than the lowry pick-up. if derozan didn't up his game year after year i think lowry put up good stats for 2 years. we become a treadmill team and he signes somewhere else. Demar is the reason Lowry stayed in my opinion. Plus being a homegrown raptor, always saying and doing the right things and sticking throught the tough times. Lowry was a fucking brat when he first came here.

...that's a ... interesting take. I literally disagree with everything here except for the second sentence.

Especially given the reason Lowry stayed is pretty well known [from the man himself] and the reason WASN'T Demar. It was Masai (and to a lesser extent, Billups).

In regards to the underlined...no. No, he wasn't. Especially given his reaction to being benched for Calderon and agreeing to play like a poor man's Calderon at that as well [despite being clearly better].

In regards to the bold...just no.

I think people are confused by "we could however have just as good a team with demar + some other pg"

Unless "some other" means curry or paul

That was one of the key things I saw there given all the evidence against this. Demar owes a LOT to Lowry [as was highlighted earlier this year when comparing Demar and Lowry when both are on the court and when one is off (and this is something that also easily passes the eye test as well). That's not a knock against Demar either.

[KeonClark]

Im not ranking best raptor based on talent. lowry's the better player. But i think Demar developing within the raps was more important than the lowry pick-up. if derozan didn't up his game year after year i think lowry put up good stats for 2 years. we become a treadmill team and he signes somewhere else. Demar is the reason Lowry stayed in my opinion. Plus being a homegrown raptor, always saying and doing the right things and sticking throught the tough times. Lowry was a fucking brat when he first came here.

I think people are confused by "we could however have just as good a team with demar + some other pg"

Unless "some other" means curry or paul

[bertarapsfan]

...what?

I was going to write more but that's what it pretty much boiled down to as I honestly don't even know where to start other than: could you please just further explain how you came to this conclusion.

Im not ranking best raptor based on talent. lowry's the better player. But i think Demar developing within the raps was more important than the lowry pick-up. if derozan didn't up his game year after year i think lowry put up good stats for 2 years. we become a treadmill team and he signes somewhere else. Demar is the reason Lowry stayed in my opinion. Plus being a homegrown raptor, always saying and doing the right things and sticking throught the tough times. Lowry was a fucking brat when he first came here.

[Barolt]

as it stand i think the MOST TALENTED/BEST PLAYER in history would be
1.Vince
2.Mcgrady
3.Lowry
4.Bosh
5.Derozan
However the best RAPTOR ever is a diffrent story id have to rank the best raptor in history ( judging time with raptors,team success individual stats, and importance to franchise.
1.Vince
2.Derozan
3.Bosh
4.Lowry
5,Whoever

Demar gets a bump in greatest raptor simply because their is no Lowry without demar. we needed that type of guy who wasnt a star but had to work for it cause we were never gonna get that superstar talent. Demar developing within the orginization was so important. he helped us build. without him we dont get lowry. i believe this team we have no can be a stepping stone to get a legit superstar. the fact is we do not get to this point as a team without Demar (or another player growing to a star within the team). we could however have this good of a team with Demar + another pg. That why i would always rank Derozan ahead of Lowry as best raptor of all time

This is insane. DeMar for the first 4-5 years of his career was basically OJ Mayo without the jump shot. Lowry has done far, far more for DeMar's career than the other way around. Lowry was well on his way to being an elite player his last year in Houston, before he got to Toronto. Masai deserves a lot of credit, however, for getting Lowry's head straight.

[Just Is]

as it stand i think the MOST TALENTED/BEST PLAYER in history would be
1.Vince
2.Mcgrady
3.Lowry
4.Bosh
5.Derozan
However the best RAPTOR ever is a diffrent story id have to rank the best raptor in history ( judging time with raptors,team success individual stats, and importance to franchise.
1.Vince
2.Derozan
3.Bosh
4.Lowry
5,Whoever

Demar gets a bump in greatest raptor simply because their is no Lowry without demar. we needed that type of guy who wasnt a star but had to work for it cause we were never gonna get that superstar talent. Demar developing within the orginization was so important. he helped us build. without him we dont get lowry. i believe this team we have no can be a stepping stone to get a legit superstar. the fact is we do not get to this point as a team without Demar (or another player growing to a star within the team). we could however have this good of a team with Demar + another pg. That why i would always rank Derozan ahead of Lowry as best raptor of all time

...what?

I was going to write more but that's what it pretty much boiled down to as I honestly don't even know where to start other than: could you please just further explain how you came to this conclusion.

[Barolt]

JV needs a new coach / system before we can even start adding him to the discussion of all time great Raptors.

The thing is, JV's numbers, right now are fantastic. Even with this coach/system which largely ignores him.