DeRozan and Lowry will end up being the best raptors of all time

[Abbas]

Bosh never had this kind of talent around him, being fair.

honestly bosh would be AMAZING if he was on our 2016 roster instead of scola or 2Pat

[Scraptor]

Wait... you think Derozan is better than lowry?? And Vince??

OK I'm moving on...

Dude that's not what he said at all. The thread isn't about peaks it's about who will end up being the best Raptor, which includes longevity, which is why he mentioned the years.

Honestly if DeMar retires a Raptor or at least sticks around until his ring-chasing 30s he will definitely overtake Vince. And if he matches Lowry in All-Star appearances he'll probably have the edge on Lowry.

That said, don't rule out Jonas! Who knows how he'd play under a different coach or with the roster retooled.

[Abbas]

So you're voting on who's been here the longest and not who's a better basketball player. You should've said so.

if it was season wise VC is better than both dd and kl by far

lets just say its 50/50 on history and best season

[Barolt]

I don't know. I have a hard time keeping Bosh so high.

Are we talking talent here? Or what the players meant for the team while being here?

Bosh was a supremely talented player for us who put up big numbers. And it's not like he was a bad guy. Not exactly a leader though, and it was probably the most disappointing, treadmill-like era in franchise history. And he left without a second thought to ride LeBron to some rings. I mean, I don't really have anything against him, but I'm not sure I'd put him ahead of Lowry and DD now (and these 2 guys get a huge boost if we have a deep playoff run this year).

Bosh never had this kind of talent around him, being fair.

[Barolt]

No, Stoudemire was never that good. Fans still overrate him. Lowry is much much better than Damon ever was.

I think Lowry's more like the reverse Deron Williams. Williams peaked in his mid 20s, Lowry closer to 30. But their peaks are somewhat similar.

[Abbas]

I don't know. I have a hard time keeping Bosh so high.

Are we talking talent here? Or what the players meant for the team while being here?

Bosh was a supremely talented player for us who put up big numbers. And it's not like he was a bad guy. Not exactly a leader though, and it was probably the most disappointing, treadmill-like era in franchise history. And he left without a second thought to ride LeBron to some rings. I mean, I don't really have anything against him, but I'm not sure I'd put him ahead of Lowry and DD now (and these 2 guys get a huge boost if we have a deep playoff run this year).

Agreed...

[Machine]

season wise lowry is beter but history wise my vote goes to DD

and no vince is obv better but i do think both DD and lowry will over take him in the years to come. (IF they stay with us)

So you're voting on who's been here the longest and not who's a better basketball player. You should've said so.

[Abbas]

If we go to ECF and sign Durant we will be legit title contenders. Not likely but love your optimism. Our best chance of signing Durant is if OKC gets bounced n the first round. That and we go go ECF and lose to CAVS in 6 or 7.

don't forget the top 5 pick lol

[Abbas]

Wait... you think Derozan is better than lowry?? And Vince??

OK I'm moving on...

season wise lowry is beter but history wise my vote goes to DD

and no vince is obv better but i do think both DD and lowry will over take him in the years to come. (IF they stay with us)

[white men can't jump]

Lowry is a reincarnation if Damon Stoudemire stayed during the Vince Days

No, Stoudemire was never that good. Fans still overrate him. Lowry is much much better than Damon ever was.

[white men can't jump]

Best case I can see is Lowry - Carter - Bosh - DD. But having the best and 4th best franchise players in team history at the same time is pretty great.

I don't know. I have a hard time keeping Bosh so high.

Are we talking talent here? Or what the players meant for the team while being here?

Bosh was a supremely talented player for us who put up big numbers. And it's not like he was a bad guy. Not exactly a leader though, and it was probably the most disappointing, treadmill-like era in franchise history. And he left without a second thought to ride LeBron to some rings. I mean, I don't really have anything against him, but I'm not sure I'd put him ahead of Lowry and DD now (and these 2 guys get a huge boost if we have a deep playoff run this year).

[tonious35]

Lowry is a reincarnation if Damon Stoudemire stayed during the Vince Days

[psrs1]

When its all said and done and if derozan resigns with us i see him easily overtaking carter and bosh
and i do see him over lowry bc of the years he has on him as a raptor.


TBH All I want is 3 things
DD and KL to lead us to the ECF atleast
Get a top 5 pick in the draft
And lastly, for kevin durant to sign here

is that too much to ask for? lol

If we go to ECF and sign Durant we will be legit title contenders. Not likely but love your optimism. Our best chance of signing Durant is if OKC gets bounced n the first round. That and we go go ECF and lose to CAVS in 6 or 7.

[Machine]

When its all said and done and if derozan resigns with us i see him easily overtaking carter and bosh
and i do see him over lowry bc of the years he has on him as a raptor.


TBH All I want is 3 things
DD and KL to lead us to the ECF atleast
Get a top 5 pick in the draft
And lastly, for kevin durant to sign here

is that too much to ask for? lol

Wait... you think Derozan is better than lowry?? And Vince??

OK I'm moving on...

[Demographic Shift]

Abbas.. great idea for the thread....
I think a lot of Lowry ... guy remade himself after a pretty inglorious exit last year and has at 29 raised the level of his game to all star status 2 years in a row when most have hit their peaks. He is tough .. mentally and physically. First guy you pick when choosing up sides at the gym for pick up.

I really am the anti-snooch on DD. This is as solid a person as you can dream of having on your team. Guy has turned himself into a two time allstar through hard work and is loyal to the team and the coach. He was a jump outta the gym guy who learned to shoot and to score going to the cup and he does it without fear or fanfare..

We are really fortunate to have 2 of the 4 best guys we have ever had on the same team at the same time...

BUT

For me.... the apex Raptor is still and will likely always be Vince. They drafted him and for a 2-3 years run this guy was one of the faces of the NBA no questions asked. The massive nightly array of sports centre intro dunks...the trading of 50 point playoff games between VC and Allen Iverson. Beating Kobe and Shaq right in LA. He really was half man half amazing.. He was all of that and more some nights.

Great thread .. my vote goes to VC.