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yabadabayolo wrote: View Postbut durant would not be coming to toronto without derozan and lowry. so its a moot point
It's just the reality. If Durant comes here a big part of it is going to be playing with DeRozan, so shipping DeRozan out or letting him walk is not a realistic or feasible option in that scenario. Durant is not going to sign here to play with Lowry and a bunch of role players (not saying that's what the other guys actually are, but that's how they'll be viewed).
You pitch him the 2nd best backcourt in the league one that can really push and make Curry/Klay work. A legitimate center that gives the team a two-way post threat, something OKC has never really had. Let him know that it'd be his team, he'd be the face but he'd have the #2, #3 and #4 to get him to the promised land. Plus picks and prospects to keep the talent supply and depth on the bench constantly flowing in.
Then maybe you offer him Vince's #15 lol and a record deal with Drake.
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Just wondering what you guys would think if our line up looked like:
KLOE/DD/Durant/Carrol/Biz
Bizz would play interior defender/rim protector, Carroll and KD can switch defensive matchups to give KD more energy and you'd have enough guy to create even if it's 4v5. Would this be a viable option for us? You'd have PP, CJ and upcoming rooks coming off our bench. What you guys think?
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Keep in mind OKC has to agree to it too. If they are rebuilding (which they probably are as they probably lose Westbrook and Ibaka the following year if Durant walks, in which case they probably deal them ASAP), they won't want Carroll eating their cap - he's a veteran on a long term deal. Ross is young with upside - the deal would almost certainly be built around him plus expirings and picks.
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Even if the Thunder lose early in the playoffs him resigning with OKC with a 1+1 type of contract makes a lot of sense. He'll be able to to get one more kick in the can with the team that drafted him, still making a 'max' contract in that one year. And then in 2017 he'll be a free agent with RW and Ibaka at the same time.
Obviously I'd love to have Durant here.. it's the ultimate fantasy. Looking at past trades, it seems like Presti loves ex Lottery players (it's too bad we waived AB). Yet Toronto would have the leverage if Durant wanted to come here. However, to make it enticing for him we can't dismantle this team.
Ross would have to be on his way out.. he fills those check boxes (ex lottery player, is a wing player, can start or come off the bench, etc). JV fills some of those check boxes too, but Masai won't include him, and OKC already has Kanter. Carroll makes some sense if OKC wants to try with RW/Ibaka but he's older and may not be the right type of talent they'd want.. especially since he has 3 more years on his contract (and wasn't healthy this year). DD would require his say so I don't see that happening. 2Pat makes some sense for both teams (he'll be the 7th/8th guy in the rotation for Toronto, yet is young and on an expiring contract for OKC and a great team player).
So a deal that I would try to swing for a S&T would be Ross, 2Pat, Wright and Toronto's 2017 first for KD. You always see some kind of pick being included in S&T for stars. I haven't done the math but I think that would work. Ultimately this would be my S&T package for Horford as well.
If it happens.. we'll have a rockin' starting unit. Our bench would suck though. Biyombo would be gone in free agency. Ross/2Pat traded. We'd only have CoJo left and would have to use our D-League team to assemble another bench. Bebe, Bruno, Powell and the kids we draft from the 2016 draft. We'd have the mid-level to try and acquire someone (I'd try to get Jared Dudley). We may get one ring chaser in the off season but even then its doubtful since GSW, SAS or Cleveland would still get the leg up on ring chasers.
If Durant leaves OKC though he'll have a lot of teams pursuing him. Miami, Houston, Cleveland, Boston, Washington, LAL, LAC, Atlanta, Dallas are all teams that could all convince him to join them and some of these teams could come up with really good S&T packages.
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I wonder if DD will be okay playing as the sixth man in this scenario, like Ginobili. I just see Lowry, Carroll and KD being a better fit than Lowry, DD and KD. Like I said, the usage rate for all 3 are high, Carroll is a low usage, defensive 3 point shooter. Our perimeter D really wouldn't be that great with DD and KD. Carroll can play multiple positions so you can switch him around during a game and DD will still play 30 mins.
Starting lineup: Lowry/Carroll/KD/Patterson/JV
Bench: CoJo/Powell/DD/???/Bebe
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I just realized that because the cap projection increased, it's actually going to be really difficult to pull off a sign and trade for Durant if they won't take Carroll. We'd have to send Ross, 2Pat, Bruno, Bebe and Wright to meet the 125% trade rule. Or Ross, 2Pat and CoJo could work as well.
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JWash wrote: View PostI just realized that because the cap projection increased, it's actually going to be really difficult to pull off a sign and trade for Durant if they won't take Carroll. We'd have to send Ross, 2Pat, Bruno, Bebe and Wright to meet the 125% trade rule. Or Ross, 2Pat and CoJo could work as well.
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DanH wrote: View PostKeep in mind OKC has to agree to it too. If they are rebuilding (which they probably are as they probably lose Westbrook and Ibaka the following year if Durant walks, in which case they probably deal them ASAP), they won't want Carroll eating their cap - he's a veteran on a long term deal. Ross is young with upside - the deal would almost certainly be built around him plus expirings and picks.
Carroll's contract is cheap in the new NBA that's about to be born and he's also a great trade asset. They don't need to keep him.
My point is that DD & JV should be off limits. They can have all the future picks they can handle, but not the core. Without those guys the Raptors aren't much further ahead and a mere injury away from being mediocre.
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Apollo wrote: View PostYou need to keep in mind that they don't want to walk away empty handed. They have no leverage and the deal that Ujiri landed for Melo was a rare wonder.
Carroll's contract is cheap in the new NBA that's about to be born and he's also a great trade asset. They don't need to keep him.
My point is that DD & JV should be off limits. They can have all the future picks they can handle, but not the core. Without those guys the Raptors aren't much further ahead and a mere injury away from being mediocre.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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