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  • GLF
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    ogi wrote: View Post
    Yeah, for the period during the 11 game win streak we held the best drtg in the nba. I really think it was just a case of taking our foot off the gas after distancing ourselves from the 3 seed. Good to see we're getting back on track as the playoffs approach.
    Great to hear! Because that has really been my main worry about this team. That they would start falling off defensively in the second half of the season. Thank God they are picking it back up.

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  • ogi
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    S.R. wrote: View Post
    That's the best news of the day. Hold top 10 at both ends and I'll feel a lot better about the playoffs.
    Yeah, for the period during the 11 game win streak we held the best drtg in the nba. I really think it was just a case of taking our foot off the gas after distancing ourselves from the 3 seed. Good to see we're getting back on track as the playoffs approach.

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  • S.R.
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    ogi wrote: View Post
    Last 10 games we hold the 6th best in drtg and 6th best ortg
    That's the best news of the day. Hold top 10 at both ends and I'll feel a lot better about the playoffs.

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  • ogi
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    Last 10 games we hold the 6th best in drtg and 6th best ortg

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  • OldSkoolCool
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    Im giving JV and Biz props for handling the most opportunities at the top KIF% rate in the league while also keeping us at 6th in Opp FG%

    That deserves credit

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  • KHD
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    OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    Interesting how we are average at screen KIF%, and the best in the league at help side KIF%...our ICE coverage seems to be effective and our help appear to be very good at containing penetration to the rim (even if the shot is made over them)

    But our man to man and closeout KIF%'s both suck...the full quote



    Two systems where they run people off the line by aggressively closing out...the one with elite help side defense is propping up the defensive rating while the other is getting murdered.

    I think it is time to start really giving props to the two headed defensive beast that JV and Biyombo has become.
    I don't know if being #1 and #2 in helps / chance is a good thing. I guess so?

    One thing i've noticed is JV's help defence has been better this year... he's able to force a floater or jumper without abandoning his mark entirely. It's like the good kind of no-man's land.

    Biyombo doesn't have the size to do it, and it has burned us on occasion. But in certain matchups he'll excel too.

    anyway, i'm not sure that aggressive closeouts are sufficient to explain why we don't keep guys in front. It's only part of that story.
    Last edited by KHD; Thu Mar 17, 2016, 08:04 AM.

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  • OldSkoolCool
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    MixxAOR wrote: View Post
    http://www1.vantagesports.com/Articl...stXiMAADoSue4m

    INTERPRETING THE DIMENSIONS OF KEEP-IN-FRONT%
    Interesting how we are average at screen KIF%, and the best in the league at help side KIF%...our ICE coverage seems to be effective and our help appear to be very good at containing penetration to the rim (even if the shot is made over them)

    But our man to man and closeout KIF%'s both suck...the full quote

    The Raptors, for instance, hold the 26th lowest Closeout KIF% at 18.3 percent as well as the 29th in Man-to-Man KIF% at 47.7 percent but make up for it with the league’s highest Help KIF%. With an above-average defense (0.98 Points Against per Shot, 12th lowest this season), it makes a lot of sense that the Raptors closeout more aggressively (lowering their chances of a KIF) and are more willing to let the help defense stop opposing players. The result is Jonas Valanciunas and Bismack Biyombo ranking 1st and 2nd in Helps per 100 Chances this season and the Raptors ranking 6th in Effective Help Rate at 53.7 percent.

    Defenses with similar low marks in Closeout KIF% and Man-to-Man KIF% like the Rockets struggle with a Help KIF% that is five percentage points lower than the Raptors. While Houston is still in the top ten in Help KIF%, their ability to stop opponents has been spectacularly bad across the board, which is reflected in their league-low overall KIF% of 53.8 percent
    Two systems where they run people off the line by aggressively closing out...the one with elite help side defense is propping up the defensive rating while the other is getting murdered.

    I think it is time to start really giving props to the two headed defensive beast that JV and Biyombo has become.

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  • OldSkoolCool
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    2015 Playoffs conference finals teams - Regular Season
    Team Paint FG% Opp 3PA Opp 3FG%
    Cavs 27th 15th 9th
    Hawks 13th 30th 7th
    Warriors 8th 7th 5th
    Rockets 19th 17th 1st
    2015 Playoffs conference finals teams - Playoffs
    Team Paint FG% Opp 3PA Opp 3FG%
    Cavs 6th 7th 2nd
    Hawks 5th 6th 13th
    Warriors 4th 3rd 1st
    Rockets 14th 13th 7th
    2014 Playoffs conference finals teams - Regular Season
    Team Paint FG% Opp 3PA Opp 3FG%
    Heat 17th 27th 18th
    Pacers 1st 5th 4th
    Spurs 6th 1st 9th
    OKC 2nd 28th 14th
    2014 Playoffs conference finals teams - Playoffs
    Team Paint FG% Opp 3PA Opp 3FG%
    Heat 6th 9th 15th
    Pacers 14th 14th 7th
    Spurs 5th 7th 5th
    OKC 3rd 5th 5th
    Huh, pretty well a scatter plot

    I'll keep digging but the data so far says

    For the regular season correlating to playoff success: "if you have Lebron or Durant, you can do anything you want, otherwise you need to be in the top 10 in the league at defending the three point line in attempts and % as well as the paint"

    To win it all: "top 5 across the board"

    Need more data to look at it but I don't think simplifying things to three basic stats paints enough of the picture as the article suggests...though it may not be a bad start

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  • MixxAOR
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    http://www1.vantagesports.com/Articl...stXiMAADoSue4m

    INTERPRETING THE DIMENSIONS OF KEEP-IN-FRONT%

    The Raptors, for instance, hold the 26th lowest Closeout KIF% at 18.3 percent as well as the 29th in Man-to-Man KIF% at 47.7 percent

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  • OldSkoolCool
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    Ya the data used in the article is all pre all-star weekend...and we know how things have dipped

    What the article didn't do was correlate their thoughts on how the PnR defense and three point defense (both attempts and percentages) has fair in the playoffs of old

    Seeing how lazy I have been it would be nice to see how each of the teams ranked that reached the conference finals in each year to kinda put some validation to the data

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  • GLF
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    OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    How to build a championship defense

    http://www.hortonbasketball.com/#!Ma...f26284d03985fb

    Important to note how poorly Toronto ranks here in the article











    Hmmm

    Definitely check out the article to have a look at the graphics and see where the Raps rank...but be warned it isn't pretty

    It has been previously highlighted here that our three point defense is cause for concern and it seems like it could be an actual problem...

    Our overall defensive efficiency could be a pace issue? Defending the paint has definitely been a strong suit for us, as has second chance points and our limited turnover limits transition buckets....a combination of those 4 things props us up perhaps?

    I dunno
    And this was written in feb so we most likely aren't even 9th in overall efficiency anymore.

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  • GLF
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    OldSkoolCool wrote: View Post
    How to build a championship defense

    http://www.hortonbasketball.com/#!Ma...f26284d03985fb

    Important to note how poorly Toronto ranks here in the article











    Hmmm

    Definitely check out the article to have a look at the graphics and see where the Raps rank...but be warned it isn't pretty

    It has been previously highlighted here that our three point defense is cause for concern and it seems like it could be an actual problem...

    Our overall defensive efficiency could be a pace issue? Defending the paint has definitely been a strong suit for us, as has second chance points and our limited turnover limits transition buckets....a combination of those 4 things props us up perhaps?

    I dunno
    Don't even need to read it. I've been saying our defense has fallen off and our poor 3 point defense which has been a problem all year will be the death of us

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  • OldSkoolCool
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    How to build a championship defense

    http://www.hortonbasketball.com/#!Ma...f26284d03985fb

    Important to note how poorly Toronto ranks here in the article

    all NBA offenses, regardless of scheme, place a sizable emphasis on pick and rolls and three-point shot creation. The best offenses are able to maximize the value of each pick and roll and create a large number of makeable threes for their best shooters.
    Not surprisingly, the list is comprised of some of the league’s best overall teams ............all but two of the 11 best defenses rank in the top 10 in defensive pick and roll points per possession, with Cleveland and Toronto being the only exceptions.
    The next part of the defensive efficiency equation is defending the three-point line. I prescribe to the school of thought that it is more worth your effort to try to limit the other team’s three-point attempts than it is to try to minimize three-point percentage.
    As it stands, 10 of the 11 best defenses rank in the top 10 of at least two of our three defensive efficiency indicators. Three of those teams, including the two best defenses, rank in the top 10 in all three categories.
    The lone outlier to this theory are the Toronto Raptors. Toronto is middle of the pack or worse in our three major defensive efficiency indicators but still boast the ninth most efficient defense in the NBA. Maybe their ability to limit paint points (4th overall) and fast break points (6th overall) are the major keys to their defense.
    Hmmm

    Definitely check out the article to have a look at the graphics and see where the Raps rank...but be warned it isn't pretty

    It has been previously highlighted here that our three point defense is cause for concern and it seems like it could be an actual problem...

    Our overall defensive efficiency could be a pace issue? Defending the paint has definitely been a strong suit for us, as has second chance points and our limited turnover limits transition buckets....a combination of those 4 things props us up perhaps?

    I dunno

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  • OldSkoolCool
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    slaw wrote: View Post
    That's not how any of these numbers work at all or what they evidence or purport to demonstrate.
    The numbers quoted say subbing a poor defender for a good defender at the PF (helper) doesnt have as much of a positive effect as subbing a poor defender for a good defender on the wing.

    Now, I dont think there is a gap between Patt and Ross/CoJo defensively...so I am more inclined to think that Ross/CoJo are better at containing penetration and sag less on defense than DD does...and that ability to get the initial stop is more important than the ability of the help defense.

    What do those numbers tell you?

    **the gap defensively between Scola and Patterson is much bigger than DD to Ross/CoJo...so we would expect that subbing Patterson in would have the bigger effect, yet it doesnt. This would suggest there is another driving force...and I say that other factor is containing guards and less sagging at the perimeter has more of an impact on team defense than the quality of the help defense.

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  • KeonClark
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    JimiCliff wrote: View Post
    A couple of weeks? 5 weeks now.
    Ok, but that team was .500 in the 2nd half. They also had lowry go into the trash bin. This team had concerns, that team had major problems and the writing was on the wall. The John wall.

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