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Is the D-League a Viable Way to Develop Young Players?
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Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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JWash wrote: View PostPopovich has the ultimate job security and can afford to do pretty much whatever he wants. Plus their team regularly wraps up games before the 4th quarter even starts and they have really old players that need tons of rest. Manu and Duncan are pushing 40 and Parker is in his 30s.Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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JWash wrote: View PostI'm sure if we had drafted a power forward, he'd probably be in the rotation, because we're weak there. Because of the strengths at the positions that our prospects are in, it makes more sense to have them develop in the D-league where they can actually get meaningful gametime and reps, and then occasionally slot them into the main rotation when we're resting someone, have injuries, etc.
Many people are not open to this idea. They think you have to give guys significant NBA minutes right away. No you do not.
People have this stigma with d league but I think they lose sight of why it's there and focus on what it typically is. Most players in d league will head to Europe or retire but it's full of hungry players and the talent is deeper than college. For the Raptors it's not a place to park players they don't know what to do with but rather it's a place they send players to help them along in their bid for the pros because they're going to be the focus in that setting instead of the after thought.
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Axel wrote: View PostAnd that is where the Raps have failed. Our best prospects have been stuck in no mans land; not getting much minutes with the Raps or the 905s. So while having the D-League team is great, we are far from maximizing its use. It's a 50 game season in the DL, and our three closest prospects have played 33 games combined there. It's a missed opportunity.
Any player drafted by the Raptors that's not playing with the club should be getting big minutes down there. There should be no exceptions. Otherwise they should be moved. That's my take.
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Axel wrote: View PostSo? How is that preventing the Raps from playing these guys more in the DL?
- Bruno has played 33 D-League games at 33.7mpg.
- Bebe has only played 10 (25mpg) but that's because he spent a ton of time on the main roster because of injuries
- Delon played 15 at 35.7mpg. He's a weird case because I think he is good enough to play in the NBA right now and contribute, but there's no room for him in the rotation. Again I don't think Masai was expecting CoJo to be available.
- Powell only played 8 d-league games at 39.6mpg, but we've had injuries on the wings all year whether it's Caroll or JJ. He's played 33 games with the main team and started 8 of them so that's why he's not played in the d-league as much
I don't really see anything weird or wrong with what's going on.
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Apollo wrote: View PostJack was talking about this in regards to Powell during a game last week. Basically his take on it is that d league its an opportunity for players, not a demotion. D league is a strategic play for management, not admission of a mistake. He went on to say that the reason Powell has hit the ground running is because he's been busy kicking ass in d league instead of getting cold and rusty on the bench while he builds up stage fright for the moment he actually gets to play.
People have this stigma with d league but I think they lose sight of why it's there and focus on what it typically is. Most players in d league will head to Europe or retire but it's full of hungry players and the talent is deeper than college. For the Raptors it's not a place to park players they don't know what to do with but rather it's a place they send players to help them along in their bid for the pros because they're going to be the focus in that setting instead of the after thought.
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Confidence is huge too JWash. I know some might argue that confidence shouldn't matter too much if the mechanics are there but these guys are prospects and so the mechanics might not be there or the consistency in the fundamentals around shooting mechanics might not be there. Anyone who's ever played a sport can understand confidence can lead to a hot streak or a cold streak. We're all our own biggest assets and worst enemies. Confidence isn't fostered on a bench at the ACC but confidence can be destroyed in a few sporadic runs on the court of the ACC for a players who's not used to the game speed or atmosphere because he's not playing typically.
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Apollo wrote: View PostConfidence is huge too JWash. I know some might argue that confidence shouldn't matter too much if the mechanics are there but these guys are prospects and so the mechanics might not be there or the consistency in the fundamentals around shooting mechanics might not be there. Anyone who's ever played a sport can understand confidence can lead to a hot streak or a cold streak. We're all our own biggest assets and worst enemies. Confidence isn't fostered on a bench at the ACC but confidence can be destroyed in a few sporadic runs on the court of the ACC for a players who's not used to the game speed or atmosphere because he's not playing typically.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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Barolt wrote: View PostIsn't the easiest way to inspire confidence to show trust in a young player? What better way to show trust than to give him NBA minutes, in situations that matter?
Tell me, who sits so all these young guys can play? What does that do to the guys sitting? What message does that send if they're producing and working hard and still have to sit? Who are the coaches relying on in the playoffs, vets or rookies? What's on the line if they lose horribly in the playoffs?
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Apollo wrote: View PostYeah, if you're some sub. 500 crap team going nowhere. Theres no one way to achieve objectives.
Norman Powell just crossed the 250 minutes mark to give us 11 guys over that number.
The Spurs have 14 guys who've played at least 250 minutes, and the guy in 11th place has played 672.
The Warriors have 12 guys who've played 250 minutes, and the guy in 11th place has played 650.
The Cavs have 13 guys who've played 250 minutes, and the guy in 11th place has played 379.
Now, you say those teams generate more garbage time than us so they can afford it. How about a team in the middle of the playoff race?
The Pistons have played 19-year old Stanley Johnson 1430 minutes, 13 guys over 250 minutes.
The Wizards have played 20-year old Kelly Oubre 568 minutes.
Oubre and Johnson are both younger, and were less experienced going into the season, than every single player on our 15-man roster.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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The reality is that you have a coach playing for his job and a star player playing for his max offer from Toronto. There is enough incentive placed on win now by virtue of the business side of things to lead to key guys taking the minutes that might go to other players. If I'm Casey I run guys like Derozan and Lowry until the wheels fall off because as far as I know this is my audition as a coach for future opportunities.
This reality is why I mentioned in another thread that maybe it's a good idea to rest guys like Derozan and Lowry for a couple games before the end of the season.
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Apollo wrote: View PostThe reality is that you have a coach playing for his job and a star player playing for his max offer from Toronto. There is enough incentive placed on win now by virtue of the business side of things to lead to key guys taking the minutes that might go to other players.
This reality is why I mentioned in another thread that maybe it's a good idea to rest guys like Derozan and Lowry for a couple games before the end of the season.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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Apollo wrote: View PostYeah, if you're some sub. 500 crap team going nowhere. Theres more than one way to achieve objectives. This isn't a cookie cutter process.
Tell me, who sits so all these young guys can play? What does that do to the guys sitting? What message does that send if they're producing and working hard and still have to sit? Who are the coaches relying on in the playoffs, vets or rookies? What's on the line if they lose horribly in the playoffs?
We don't need to carve out consistent minutes on a night to night basis for these guys yet. But real NBA action is a huge advantage in development.
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Axel wrote: View PostAnd that is where the Raps have failed. Our best prospects have been stuck in no mans land; not getting much minutes with the Raps or the 905s. So while having the D-League team is great, we are far from maximizing its use. It's a 50 game season in the DL, and our three closest prospects have played 33 games combined there. It's a missed opportunity.
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