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The infamous Biyombo/JV Offense-Defense substitution
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DanH wrote: View PostI have no issue with offence - defence subs, especially in certain matchups. I definitely have an issue with Biyombo closing out the game on both ends, which seems a more common occurrence than the offence-defence subs.
And once you make the defensive sub, it's quite likely you're gonna play at least one O posession with Bismack on the floor. Which is just not good.
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KHD wrote: View Postright. but you can still have a different number of offensive vs. defensive possessions even with similar minutes, correct? especially, i would think, in the case of an O/D swap.
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DanH wrote: View PostYou absolutely can - it will just have zero impact on the ORTG and DRTG (and therefore the net rating).
what i'm saying is rather than minutes played I want to see the # of posessions used in the calculation. In regular play I suspect minutes is a close enough surrogate. but in specific O/D situations, maybe not?
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KHD wrote: View Postyeah but i'm a lot more willing to trust, for example, an ORTG calculated from 100 posessions than one from 20.
what i'm saying is rather than minutes played I want to see the # of posessions used in the calculation. In regular play I suspect minutes is a close enough surrogate. but in specific O/D situations, maybe not?
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tDotted wrote: View PostThe whole point of O/DRTG is to remove possession bias (raw points scored/allowed). Everything's scaled to to be based on 100 possessions through the formula.
i'm asking about the sample size in the context of an O/D swap.
If biyombo plays 1 offensive possession and 10 defensive ones, and JV the inverse, there's not much use in comparing their ORtg and DRtg against each other.
So, these are 2 lineups that have played 130 and 85 minutes. Is that enough data to overcome that?
or am i missing something?
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KHD wrote: View Posti get that.
i'm asking about the sample size in the context of an O/D swap.
If biyombo plays 1 offensive possession and 10 defensive ones, and JV the inverse, there's not much use in comparing their ORtg and DRtg against each other.
So, these are 2 lineups that have played 130 and 85 minutes. Is that enough data to overcome that?
or am i missing something?
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Fastwalking wrote: View PostIs JV ever going to have a break out season? I'm now at the point where I would take Biyombo over JV any time.
I guess he could go up from prime Dwight efficiency to prime Hakeem efficiency, but that might be asking a bit much. Maybe him breaking out requires him being on the court and touching the ball instead.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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Fastwalking wrote: View PostIs JV ever going to have a break out season? I'm now at the point where I would take Biyombo over JV any time.
His points per game HAVE slowly risen year to year, I believe we have an 18 pt 10 reb center right in front of us and they're not interested in doing that9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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JV's usage has increased every year. Just relax and be patient guys he is going to eventually work his way into a suitably large role. There's no need to rush.
Hell JV has already broken 20% usage, Marc Gasol didn't break that until his 6th season when he was 29-30 years old.
I of course think JV has higher offensive upside than Marc (at least as a scorer, probably not as a passer), but there's no need to be in a hurry with his development. He's doing great.Last edited by JWash; Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:53 PM.
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JWash wrote: View PostJV's usage has increased every year. Just relax and be patient guys he is going to eventually work his way into a suitably large role. There's no need to rush.
Hell JV has already broken 20% usage, Marc Gasol didn't break that until his 6th season when he was 29-30 years old.
I of course think JV has higher offensive upside than Marc (at least as a scorer, probably not as a passer), but there's no need to be in a hurry with his development. He's doing great.
His usage went up to 20.6 possessions per 100 team possessions from 19.1 last year. His OREB/100 went from 5.3 to 6.2. So of the 1.5 possession increase, it appears more than half of them came from him getting more offensive boards and put-back opportunities.
Combine that with his minutes pattern (28.2. 26.2, 25.8) and the number of possessions he gets run through him as a function of the offence per game is probably going down, not up, or holding steady at best.
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Barolt wrote: View PostIs he ever going to be better than one of the best big men in the league with the limited minutes and usage we give him you mean?
I guess he could go up from prime Dwight efficiency to prime Hakeem efficiency, but that might be asking a bit much. Maybe him breaking out requires him being on the court and touching the ball instead.
EDIT: If it's not obvious, I would take Hakeem out of the two and never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever look back.
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