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  • JWash wrote: View Post
    Sure mate.
    Am I wrong? Can you prove it?
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    • Axel wrote: View Post
      Except that the bold is quite easily proven as problem not just on our team but in professional sports in general.
      In the professional world in general.

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        • JWash wrote: View Post
          Sure mate.
          Are you more likely to get in an auto-vehicle accident if you're driving, or if you stay home? You seem to be arguing that the risk is the same, which is just plainly inaccurate, objectively speaking.

          At this point, I honestly have no idea what point you're even trying to argue, beyond just pointing out that nobody discussing Lowry's injury situation is a medical doctor (which nobody has claimed, though medical websites and personal injury experience have both been referenced as factual and anecdotal evidence, by both professional reporters and various posters).

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          To all posters (myself included):

          There was an extensive discussion about this topic yesterday, in the previous game thread. Perhaps the discussion can be continued there (or a new thread could be started), as opposed to derailing yet another game thread with a debate about the merits of resting an injured player.


          EDIT: Done!
          Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Wed Mar 30, 2016, 02:49 PM.

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          • JWash wrote: View Post
            Totally agree man (not on the rest costing us games, just on it not being necessary). Don't understand the resting players stuff. If guys are legitimately hurt? Of course sit them. If not, fucking play. Golden State isn't resting anyone, Klay played the entire 4th quarter against PHILLY just so he could get to 40 (the game was over).

            This attitude of guys breaking if they play more than 35 mins or don't get rest is just so lame. AI used to play 42 minutes per game and he was 165 soaking wet. Smaller than basically anyone who gets regular run nowadays and literally carrying his team's offense night in night out.

            Guys need to work and stay in condition to be able to play their minutes on a night to night basis. Lowry getting hurt last year imo was his fault, not anyone else's. That's why he went to work on his body in the summer because he knew his conditioning was poor.
            To come full circle from the post that kicked off the debate about Lowry's elbow injury/treatment, would you consider Lowry's elbow to be injured? If so, why aren't your recommending your own advice, per the bolded part?

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              • Who would win in a fight..kyle lowry's elbow or steph Currys ankle

                Or what if it became a tag team match and kyles elbow got joel embiids foot and steph got Ron Artests brain
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                • Just read through the managing minutes thread.

                  The conversation was some saying we need to rest him more to prevent injury, and others saying we need him no matter what.

                  What happened? Minutes went up, we won games, but now he might not be healthy for the playoffs. But hey, those games mattered.

                  These next 9 DO NOT.
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                  • KeonClark wrote: View Post
                    Who would win in a fight..kyle lowry's elbow or steph Currys ankle

                    Or what if it became a tag team match and kyles elbow got joel embiids foot and steph got Ron Artests brain
                    in any of those battle's, thead's ankle wins. Remember that avatar?
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                    • Barolt wrote: View Post
                      Just read through the managing minutes thread.

                      The conversation was some saying we need to rest him more to prevent injury, and others saying we need him no matter what.

                      What happened? Minutes went up, we won games, but now he might not be healthy for the playoffs. But hey, those games mattered.

                      These next 9 DO NOT.
                      Almost like we sometimes know what we are talking about around here
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                      • Barolt wrote: View Post
                        Just read through the managing minutes thread.

                        The conversation was some saying we need to rest him more to prevent injury, and others saying we need him no matter what.

                        What happened? Minutes went up, we won games, but now he might not be healthy for the playoffs. But hey, those games mattered.

                        These next 9 DO NOT.
                        You can't blame kyles beautiful stretch of basketball from November until a week ago for his injury. Injuries happen, we needed every minute of kyle to build the season weve built, and there is absolutely 0 evidence that reducing his minutes a few minutes each game would have prevented it. In fact it probably wouldn't have. When he banged his elbow should he have been on the bench at the time? Not likely.

                        Nobody is at fault for this. Accidents happen. What you can control is where you go from here. Now that the accident happened you do your best to get him back to 100% ASAP. And that's by now sitting and recovering. That's why kyle plated all those minutes. So that the April games were meaningless. Now you take advantage, or else what was the point of going so hard the first 70 games?
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                        • KeonClark wrote: View Post
                          You can't blame kyles beautiful stretch of basketball from November until a week ago for his injury. Injuries happen, we needed every minute of kyle to build the season weve built, and there is absolutely 0 evidence that reducing his minutes a few minutes each game would have prevented it. In fact it probably wouldn't have. When he banged his elbow should he have been on the bench at the time? Not likely.

                          Nobody is at fault for this. Accidents happen. What you can control is where you go from here. Now that the accident happened you do your best to get him back to 100% ASAP. And that's by now sitting and recovering. That's why kyle plated all those minutes. So that the April games were meaningless. Now you take advantage, or else what was the point of going so hard the first 70 games?
                          You can ABSOLUTELY blame someone for this. In fact, you can blame everyone in the organization from Masai, to Casey, to the medical staff for this.

                          He hurt himself, then played more minutes than anyone in the league for the following two months.

                          There is no logical explanation for that.
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                          • Barolt wrote: View Post
                            You can ABSOLUTELY blame someone for this. In fact, you can blame everyone in the organization from Masai, to Casey, to the medical staff for this.

                            He hurt himself, then played more minutes than anyone in the league for the following two months.

                            There is no logical explanation for that.
                            Oh you mean prior to his nba player of the month, and his subsequent player of the week? Yeah clearly he was hobbled like a Vietnam War vet and he should have been laying in a bed with bubble wrap for the last 2 months.

                            The REAL injury happened last week vs Orlando. Yes, it was caused by a prior bang to the elbow but it took ~30 games for it to blow up like that so obviously they thought it was a non issue. Athletes play through pain all the time. That's partly. why kyle gets 12 million dollars a year.

                            I know it's human nature to be angry and want to play the blame game and have a finger to point, but who gives a fuck now what happened in January and February. We got 16 days to get ready for the most important stretch in franchise history.
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                            • KeonClark wrote: View Post
                              Oh you mean prior to his nba player of the month, and his subsequent player of the week? Yeah clearly he was hobbled like a Vietnam War vet and he should have been laying in a bed with bubble wrap for the last 2 months.

                              The REAL injury happened last week vs Orlando. Yes, it was caused by a prior bang to the elbow but it took ~30 games for it to blow up like that so obviously they thought it was a non issue. Athletes play through pain all the time. That's partly. why kyle gets 12 million dollars a year.

                              I know it's human nature to be angry and want to play the blame game and have a finger to point, but who gives a fuck now what happened in January and February. We got 16 days to get ready for the most important stretch in franchise history.
                              It doesn't matter how good he was playing, he was playing hurt and playing an obscene minute load.

                              If he was having the greatest season in the history of the NBA, he still shouldn't have been playing that kind of minutes on an injured elbow. We need him for the playoffs more than we needed a #2 seed. There is absolutely no point in making the playoffs if we can't be good enough to win once we get there.
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                              • Yeah I agree with Keon. His injury was clearly manageable for a couple months. Then he greatly aggravated it against Orlando so now more drastic measures need to be taken.

                                It's not like him playing 40 minutes caused the injury. He shot a ton of shots, hit the floor a ton of times, did his usual KLOE things. Somehow versus Orlando he banged it the wrong way, or it was twisted or pulled or pushed or whatever. It's possible that even without the England injury his elbow flares up like that from just the Orlando incident.

                                This is all getting too hypothetical, especially since debating who the fans should blame for an injury is one of the most irrelevant and silliest things we do.
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