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  • #46
    JWash wrote: View Post
    No we can't. Deja vu from last season, faltering late, gonna lose in round 1.
    It'll be tougher than what we expected. I was thinking we'd be able to win in 5/6 games with everyone healthy. Lowry is the driver of this team, and if he can't make buckets it is gonna be very taxing on our offense.

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    • #47
      mjt20mik wrote: View Post
      It'll be tougher than what we expected. I was thinking we'd be able to win in 5/6 games with everyone healthy. Lowry is the driver of this team, and if he can't make buckets it is gonna be very taxing on our offense.
      Lowry looks hurt, and doesn't seem like he's going to recover. Seems like this started to happen once we got him out of game rhythm. Bad decision to rest him. Without Lowry we are cooked even if we play New York or something.

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      • #48
        JWash wrote: View Post
        What are you talking about? Lowry himself even said that rest wasn't helping the situation and he needs to play through it.

        Lol at you posting without getting the information.
        A)Lowry said it wasn't helping, but he's not a doctor.

        B)Even if rest wouldn't help, it couldn't possibly hurt, which playing in a game could. Re-injuring the elbow while it's already hurt could be catastrophic.
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        • #49
          Barolt wrote: View Post
          A)Lowry said it wasn't helping, but he's not a doctor.

          B)Even if rest wouldn't help, it couldn't possibly hurt, which playing in a game could. Re-injuring the elbow while it's already hurt could be catastrophic.
          Actually rest could hurt. Maybe he needs to keep using it or it'll get worse. You're not a doctor either and neither am I.

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          • #50
            JWash wrote: View Post
            Actually rest could hurt. Maybe he needs to keep using it or it'll get worse. You're not a doctor either and neither am I.
            Controllable rehab situations are always better than uncontrolled ones. Rest doesn't mean lay in bed all day, it just means to avoid game situations where you can't control all the variables.
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            • #51
              JWash wrote: View Post
              No we can't. Deja vu from last season, faltering late, gonna lose in round 1.
              Against Indiana or Detroit? I think we'll be okay if we face either of those two in the first round.

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              • #52
                Barolt wrote: View Post
                Controllable rehab situations are always better than uncontrolled ones. Rest doesn't mean lay in bed all day, it just means to avoid game situations where you can't control all the variables.
                Well it hasn't been helping so maybe it was the wrong move. Clearly doing something that isn't working or helping is a bad idea and might have even caused the problem in the first place. Play that man.

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                • #53
                  LJ2 wrote: View Post
                  Against Indiana or Detroit? I think we'll be okay if we face either of those two in the first round.
                  Both. If Lowry isn't 100% we're out in round 1.

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                  • #54
                    JWash wrote: View Post
                    Well it hasn't been helping so maybe it was the wrong move. Clearly doing something that isn't working or helping is a bad idea and might have even caused the problem in the first place. Play that man.
                    He fell on the elbow in a game, which did make things worse though.

                    Not helping is better than actively hurting.

                    Besides, what are we playing for at this point? We have a 6 game lead in the loss column with 9 games to go. We can go 3-6 the rest of the way and still probably get the 2nd seed.
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                    • #55
                      Barolt wrote: View Post
                      He fell on the elbow in a game, which did make things worse though.

                      Not helping is better than actively hurting.

                      Besides, what are we playing for at this point? We have a 6 game lead in the loss column with 9 games to go. We can go 3-6 the rest of the way and still probably get the 2nd seed.
                      And maybe if he had just played through the elbow pain instead of resting it would've gotten better or not gotten as bad as it is now. We are playing to stay motivated and in good rhythm for the playoffs and go in on a high. We need guys focused and ready to win, not sitting at home or watching from the bench.

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                      • #56
                        JWash wrote: View Post
                        Well it hasn't been helping so maybe it was the wrong move. Clearly doing something that isn't working or helping is a bad idea and might have even caused the problem in the first place. Play that man.
                        But he's BEEN playing! That's the thing! Lowry has had, what, two games of rest? And when he hasn't rested has averaged close to 40 minutes? How can anyone think this is the right decision? How have we not learned from the past here?

                        No, no, no one should worry about Lowry getting hurt playing so much, or not getting rest if he is hurt like last year, because that would just never happen...

                        The sad part is how predictable this has been all year.
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                        • #57
                          DanH wrote: View Post
                          But he's BEEN playing! That's the thing! Lowry has had, what, two games of rest? And when he hasn't rested has averaged close to 40 minutes? How can anyone think this is the right decision? How have we not learned from the past here?

                          No, no, no one should worry about Lowry getting hurt playing so much, or not getting rest if he is hurt like last year, because that would just never happen...

                          The sad part is how predictable this has been all year.
                          And the rest could have easily made it worse. He didn't get injured because he plays a lot, he got injured because of bad luck. You still need guys out there to play the games, and they need to stay focused for playoffs and be in game shape. Resting doesn't achieve that for you.

                          This idea that Lowry is hurt because of playing a lot is just wrong.

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                          • #58
                            DanH wrote: View Post
                            Well, that couldn't have gone any worse... Lowry hurt, doomsday whispers on Carroll (meaning, worst of all, that Doug Smith might be right about something)...

                            The entire team was pretty yuck but if I have to watch Scola in the starting lineup much longer I'm gonna lose my mind. How a basketball mind like Casey can't see what an abomination our starting lineup is is beyond me.

                            I could really use some good news around this team... Well, Powell is looking good. Yay...
                            Heres a few things to chew on...

                            1. For the first time in a long time the East is wide open. Cleveland has come back to the pack a little bit and they get to sort out some locker room issues under the gaze of non stop coverage. No one in that Raptor locker room doesn't think they don't have a good chance to win the east. Over in the Cavs room a bunch of guys are wondering why their best player doesn't seem to think much about them.
                            2. The guy who stirs the drink is a little nicked up. However there is a couple of weeks till the curtain lifts on the NBA playoffs which is enough time to get right . Its not as if this is an MCL or ACL knee tear 2 weeks before the show starts.
                            3.Ross will be back soon and as much as we like to rip on him he gives the team a pretty consistent deep threat game in and game out. He is a credible third option on offense.
                            4.Outside of Carroll we have NO ONE that is IR hurt and on the shelf.
                            5.Norm Powell for a second round pick has evolved into more than a pleasant surprise and is going to really help on the defensive side of the ball during the spot minutes and situations he will get. during the post season.
                            6.JV and Biz provide good to very good production out of the 5 and its been consistent all year. No reason to think the Raps don't get that type of effort and output starting April 15.
                            7.PPats game was M.I.A. during the first half of the season has been found and he has been consistently playing well.
                            8.Unlike last year this team can play defense and it is markedly tougher physically and mentally than last years team.
                            9.As much as we all want Carroll back he really hasn't influenced this teams ascent up the standings to number 2 seeding. If he gets back he can only help. Its not a subtraction to what has been done by the existing rotations if he doesn't clear medically and is unable to return. If he does then in a 3 ball world its a pretty good one two three punch with wing defense with Carroll and Powell and Ross if he zones in.. JJ.

                            Don't be so glum...
                            Last edited by Demographic Shift; Tue Mar 29th, 2016, 11:06 AM.

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                            • #59
                              JWash wrote: View Post
                              And maybe if he had just played through the elbow pain instead of resting it would've gotten better or not gotten as bad as it is now. We are playing to stay motivated and in good rhythm for the playoffs and go in on a high. We need guys focused and ready to win, not sitting at home or watching from the bench.
                              The injury happened TWO MONTHS ago, and he's playing 38.6 minutes a game since the London trip.

                              He literally can't play much more than he has been.

                              If he rests, worst case scenario is he doesn't get better.

                              If he plays, worst case scenario is someone hits it, or he falls on it again, and his season is over.

                              This doesn't seem that complicated.
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                              • #60
                                Demographic Shift wrote: View Post
                                Heres a few things to chew on...

                                1. For the first time in a long time the East is wide open. Cleveland has come back to the pack a little bit and they get to sort out some locker room issues under the gaze of non stop coverage. No one in that Raptor locker room doesn't think they don't have a good chance to win the east. Over in the Cavs room a bunch of guys are wondering why their best player doesn't seem to think much about them.
                                2. The guy who stirs the drink is a little nicked up. However there is a couple of weeks till the curtain lifts on the NBA playoffs which is enough time to get right . Its not as if this is an MCL or ACL knee tear 2 weeks before the show starts.
                                3.Ross will be back soon and as much as we like to rip on him he gives the team a pretty consistent deep threat game in and game out. He is a credible third option on offense.
                                4.Outside of Carroll we have NO ONE that is IR hurt and on the shelf.
                                5.Norm Powell for a second round pick has evolved into more than a pleasant surprise and is going to really help on the defensive side of the ball during the spot minutes and situations he will get. during the post season.
                                6.JV and Biz provide good to very good production out of the 5 and its been consistent all year. No reason to think the Raps don't get that type of effort and output starting April 15.
                                7.PPats game was M.I.A. during the first half of the season has been found and he has been consistently playing well.
                                8.Unlike last year this team can play defense and it is markedly tougher physically and mentally than last years team.

                                Don't be so glum...
                                Yup, the constant negativity is just bringing in bad vibes. Let's keep the good vibes up guys and go in and win our first 7 game series. No point fretting the little stuff, this team can get it done

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