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How should Raps roster be constructed to beat CAVS next season?
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Mapko wrote: View PostI'd love to agree with you, but we would both be wrong.
Yes, Lebron is a great player, but:
-We won 2 games with Scola
-Way less than 100% Carroll
-So-so Kyle & DD;
-Injured JVal
Unless Cavs win next 2 & Love goes for 20 & 15 -He is gone. Usually when you make a panic move like that -you don't get better;
-Lefake is getting older & heavy minutes 7 yrs in a row have to take a toll EVENTUALLY;
-TT is their only big (OK maybe Frye too) -Lots of pressure in a long season (I's assuming they loose Mozgov);
-Basically only chance of getting better -another guy like Jefferson taking Vets minimum;
-And lastly: Now we have experience of going deeper in playoffs.
I think the Cavs are fine without Love, so if they can get players in return that can log actual useful, "positive" minutes, they're already a better team from that trade. And if they do get some players who can contribute (they don't actually need to), then that means less minutes for Lebron so that point is moot as well.
I'm personally not convinced that Carroll will be any better next year than he was this year in his limited half-injured body. I'm sure he'll score a bit more and hopefully occasionally hit those wide open 3s, but overall I continue to be convinced that Carroll is overrated. That said we do need him because our SF/PF situation leaves much to be desired. I think the desire that many fans (myself included) of seeing Carroll play capably as a PF is a pipe dream that we only wish because we see other teams doing it and hope we can do the same. I think if you look at his career trajectory though, the hope for a 100% Carroll may be another pipe dream.
Lefake? Please tell me this is a joke.
The way I see it is Cavs are better, way better, than the Raptors. There's a wide chasm between the talent level of this season's Cavaliers and our Toronto Raptors. You said "basically only chance of getting better is another guy like Jefferson getting a Vets minimum", they're not the team that has to get way better to be able to match our talent level, it's us. It's on Masai to bring us there, and I don't see how he can do that in this offseason without some crazy moves and some generous home-town discounts.
That's why for me, if we can win 3 games in the ECF then I'm a happy guy. By all means if you want to aim higher you can, but I think you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.
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Bring back JJ, DD
Draft a Chriss-ish player to push Ppat in a contract season.
Say goodbye to Scola and Biyombo. Perhaps Keep JT at a real team friendly deal.
Expect 10-20 lbs added to the Brazilians come training camp.
If Bruno can be taught the 4 spot we have the talent to cover some of our holes.
Much like manys have said, keep our powder dry and see if we can't capitalize mid-season/deadline and get a great player. We aren't falling out of the playoff picture all of a sudden, so we can afford to wait for a choice move.
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DanH wrote: View PostWell, we'll have to agree to disagree. The Raptors are a better team than the Bulls as currently constructed.
And no, the opposite should not be the expectation. I'm saying you should put far more weight in the teams' performances over 82 games than in a measly 4 games against each other.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostSo then the opposite of the regular season should be the expectation? Chicago is a legitimate threat to any team in the NBA when healthy. Granted I don't have a clue what Hoiberg is doing, but there is a lot of talent on that roster. They have us out classed at near every critical spot when healthy.
And no, the opposite should not be the expectation. I'm saying you should put far more weight in the teams' performances over 82 games than in a measly 4 games against each other.
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suspenders wrote: View PostWe should be constructed so that we can beat any team.
Remember the Chicago Bulls? We haven't beat them since December 31st, 2013.
Assuming they don't make any major trades this offseason, what if we were to face them in the first round next year?
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DanH wrote: View PostWe would beat them. Regular season record against a team means nothing.
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ebrian wrote: View PostThe only way the Raptors can beat the Cavs next year is if Lebron beats the Warriors this month thereby fulfilling his goal to bring Cleveland a championship, and then opts out and moves back to Miami.
But then we'll have the issue of trying to be the Heat in the ECF.
I've been saying this since about Game 3 of the ECF. As long as Lebron stays in the East, our realistic ceiling over the next 2-3 seasons is winning 3 games in the Eastern Conference Finals. We got to 2, and we're hoping to get to 3.
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suspenders wrote: View PostWe should be constructed so that we can beat any team.
Remember the Chicago Bulls? We haven't beat them since December 31st, 2013.
Assuming they don't make any major trades this offseason, what if we were to face them in the first round next year?
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We should be constructed so that we can beat any team.
Remember the Chicago Bulls? We haven't beat them since December 31st, 2013.
Assuming they don't make any major trades this offseason, what if we were to face them in the first round next year?
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ebrian wrote: View PostThe only way the Raptors can beat the Cavs next year is if Lebron beats the Warriors this month thereby fulfilling his goal to bring Cleveland a championship, and then opts out and moves back to Miami.
But then we'll have the issue of trying to be the Heat in the ECF.
I've been saying this since about Game 3 of the ECF. As long as Lebron stays in the East, our realistic ceiling over the next 2-3 seasons is winning 3 games in the Eastern Conference Finals. We got to 2, and we're hoping to get to 3.
Yes, Lebron is a great player, but:
-We won 2 games with Scola
-Way less than 100% Carroll
-So-so Kyle & DD;
-Injured JVal
Unless Cavs win next 2 & Love goes for 20 & 15 -He is gone. Usually when you make a panic move like that -you don't get better;
-Lefake is getting older & heavy minutes 7 yrs in a row have to take a toll EVENTUALLY;
-TT is their only big (OK maybe Frye too) -Lots of pressure in a long season (I's assuming they loose Mozgov);
-Basically only chance of getting better -another guy like Jefferson taking Vets minimum;
-And lastly: Now we have experience of going deeper in playoffs.
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DanH wrote: View PostI think they end up keeping JJ. And if they can't pull off a trade for a big upgrade right away, I'd bet they give him the max they can (6-8M per year) but get some non-guaranteed years in return, so he can be a trade chip at the next draft. Having both him and Ross and prospects available as salary ballast means you can easily take back 20-25M+ contracts.
Say at trade deadline if Atl or OKC (or even Clipps) suck?
For a few mill (& we would still be under cap) -well worth it.
(sort of something Bos did with Amir -no offence, but Amir is not a 12 mill player).
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I really think resigning JJ would be a good move. Put him as our backup 3/4. Masai wants a backup 3 and I think JJ is ready to give that to this team consistently. He is a very good small ball 4, and throwing him at lebron seemed somewhat successful in the playoffs. If we get Thad and resign JJ I would be pretty happy.
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The only way the Raptors can beat the Cavs next year is if Lebron beats the Warriors this month thereby fulfilling his goal to bring Cleveland a championship, and then opts out and moves back to Miami.
But then we'll have the issue of trying to be the Heat in the ECF.
I've been saying this since about Game 3 of the ECF. As long as Lebron stays in the East, our realistic ceiling over the next 2-3 seasons is winning 3 games in the Eastern Conference Finals. We got to 2, and we're hoping to get to 3.
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psrs1 wrote: View PostJuly 1 is coming quickly . It looks likely that DD will be resigned. Biyombo status is still up in the air. Moving forward what is it going to take to have legitimate shot to beat CAVS next season? Short of signing KD as our starting PF(DanH can advise re cap problems) is there a way we could be built to beat CAVS next season? It looks likely that Kevin Love will be moved in offseason . Much of what happens in the next month will determine if we could be in the conversation or not.
We're not beating the Cavs without a superstar player on our team.
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