Do we still have trust in Masai?

[3inthekeon]

I really dislike the ways psychi t gets technical fouls and other scuffles.. so unnecessary and ineffective!!! No one finds him scary!!

Are you talking about Hansbro? What brought this on? This seems like some totally random comment.

[Triplethreat89]

I really dislike the ways psychi t gets technical fouls and other scuffles.. so unnecessary and ineffective!!! No one finds him scary!!

[rightsideup]

No. JV's cap hold was ~12M, Ross' ~8M. So 20M combined instead of 24M actual salary. So about 10M total cap flexibility. Even if they let Ross walk, that means about 18M in cap room, about 9 million shy of being able to make a max offer for Horford.

That's part of why the extension values for each were pretty incredible, their first year salary wasn't much above their cap holds.

Wow this business is very hard to navigate when I look at our last year's salaries compared to the other final four which were well over the cap I generalize that we need to spend to get at the next level. But there are rules to how that money is spent and we can evaluate where jv's, ross's extensions are fair value and how DeMar's 139 mill stacks up but connelly got 155 so that's just the price of talent at this time. During last night's game Steve Smith mentioned Biz would leave a big hole. We really need to expect some growth from JV,Norm,cory and even demar. As well as good health from demare.

[DanH]

Was thinking about Al Horford signing with the Celtics this off-season and doing some hind-sighting. If Masai didn't extend JV ($14M) & Ross ($10M) last season would that have given the Raps enough cap space to go after Horford, and then go over the cap to sign JV, Ross & DD afterwards?

No. JV's cap hold was ~12M, Ross' ~8M. So 20M combined instead of 24M actual salary. So about 10M total cap flexibility. Even if they let Ross walk, that means about 18M in cap room, about 9 million shy of being able to make a max offer for Horford.

That's part of why the extension values for each were pretty incredible, their first year salary wasn't much above their cap holds.

[JimiCliff]

Was thinking about Al Horford signing with the Celtics this off-season and doing some hind-sighting. If Masai didn't extend JV ($14M) & Ross ($10M) last season would that have given the Raps enough cap space to go after Horford, and then go over the cap to sign JV, Ross & DD afterwards?

Not sure, but if JV had been signed THIS summer, he would have been max or near max. Ross, though, would have been about negative $10 million, so maybe it evens out.

[golden]

Was thinking about Al Horford signing with the Celtics this off-season and doing some hind-sighting. If Masai didn't extend JV ($14M) & Ross ($10M) last season would that have given the Raps enough cap space to go after Horford, and then go over the cap to sign JV, Ross & DD afterwards?

[Primer]

I'd love to snag Terrence Jones or D-Mo with the MLE or the cap space we have left. Preferably on a 3 year deal so we can keep them around if they blow up, ala Biyombo, but I'd still take them on a 1 year prove it deal, ala Biyombo.

[rightsideup]

Nice effort, but the obvious flaw is that Lebron is a 1, and everybody else starts at 3.

Top flight 2-way players like PG13 and Butler deserve to be on the next tier by themselves. Kyle is on the tier after that, probably on par with Horford and Wall considering what those guys do on both sides of the floor. Melo & Kyrie could also be in there strictly on offense. Demar is on the tier after Kyle with someone like Isaiah Thomas being in there.

Something like this:

1. Lebron
2.
3. PG13, Butler
4. Kyle, Melo, Kyrie, Horford, Wall
5. DeMar, I. Thomas

ineresting but kyle and kyrie are easily on a higher level imo than wall horford and melo who cannot stay on the floor and is a ball stopper. Very good point on lebron just at another level of importance than anyone in the league.

[Mess]

LOL. What was I thinking? Might have had a brain-cramp on that one. Actually, nobody showed up against the Wizards.

Yeah..I mean he did start a couple games but for the whole "series" he had 8 fouls, 5 points and 6 rebounds total - in 48 total minutes.

[golden]

lol what?

LOL. What was I thinking? Might have had a brain-cramp on that one. Actually, nobody showed up against the Wizards.

[golden]

I think people are obsessing about power forwards too much. We didn't have a true starting power forward last season and we had the best season in the team's history.

We're going to be second in the East again this year. Just go by the Big Three rule - how good are each team's best three players? Do 'em by tiers: 1 is "currently All-NBA or competing for it" level, 2 is "non-fluke All-Star" level, 3 is "just below All-Star/about to make the leap," and 4 is "reliable starter."

Cleveland: LeBron (1), Kyrie (2), Love (2).
Toronto: Kyle (1), DeMar (2), Jonas (3).
Chicago: Butler (1), Wade (2), Rondo (3).
Indiana: PG13 (1), Teague (2/3), Young (4).
Atlanta: Millsap (1/2), Dwight (3), Bazemore (3).
Boston: Horford (2), Thomas (2), Crowder (3/4).
Detroit: Drummond (1), Jackson (3), Harris (4).
New York: Carmelo (2), Rose (2/3), Porzingis (3).
Washington: Wall (2), Beal (3), Mahimi (4).
Brooklyn: Lopez (2), Lin (3/4), Booker (4).
Orlando: Ibaka (2/3), Vucevic (3), Fournier (4).
Miami: Winslow (3), Whiteside (3), Dragic (3). (Bosh is a 1 if he can play, but...)
Milwaukee: Giannis (3), Jabari (3), Middleton (3).
Charlotte: Batum (2/3), Kemba (3/4), MKG (4).
Philly: Simmons (4), Embiid (4), Okafor (4).

Obviously this model doesn't account for overall team depth, or things like "Chicago and Indiana don't have anywhere near enough shooting for the modern NBA," or "Philly and Milwaukee's kids might make major leaps," or Chris Bosh's health. But it's safe to say that Toronto has more talent than any other team in the East other than Cleveland, and with the exception of Boston (who have the most depth) it's not particularly close either.

Nice effort, but the obvious flaw is that Lebron is a 1, and everybody else starts at 3.

Top flight 2-way players like PG13 and Butler deserve to be on the next tier by themselves. Kyle is on the tier after that, probably on par with Horford and Wall considering what those guys do on both sides of the floor. Melo & Kyrie could also be in there strictly on offense. Demar is on the tier after Kyle with someone like Isaiah Thomas being in there.

Something like this:

1. Lebron
2.
3. PG13, Butler
4. Kyle, Melo, Kyrie, Horford, Wall
5. DeMar, I. Thomas

[Mess]

Not huge fan, but his 2 seasons in Toronto were far from awful. Quite efficient, actually.

.576 TS% / 123 ORTG / .153 WS48

And he was one of the few Raptors who actually showed up in the playoffs against the Wizards. As a bench big, the main problem would be Casey over-using the 'veteran' and taking minutes away from Poeltl and even JV. And also the return of the 2Pat, Hansbro scramble defense.

lol what?

[golden]

Cause he's awful

Not huge fan, but his 2 seasons in Toronto were far from awful. Quite efficient, actually.

.576 TS% / 123 ORTG / .153 WS48

And he was one of the few Raptors who actually showed up in the playoffs against the Wizards. As a bench big, the main problem would be Casey over-using the 'veteran' and taking minutes away from Poeltl and even JV. And also the return of the 2Pat, Hansbro scramble defense.

[magoon]

I think people are obsessing about power forwards too much. We didn't have a true starting power forward last season and we had the best season in the team's history.

We're going to be second in the East again this year. Just go by the Big Three rule - how good are each team's best three players? Do 'em by tiers: 1 is "currently All-NBA or competing for it" level, 2 is "non-fluke All-Star" level, 3 is "just below All-Star/about to make the leap," and 4 is "reliable starter."

Cleveland: LeBron (1), Kyrie (2), Love (2).
Toronto: Kyle (1), DeMar (2), Jonas (3).
Chicago: Butler (1), Wade (2), Rondo (3).
Indiana: PG13 (1), Teague (2/3), Young (4).
Atlanta: Millsap (1/2), Dwight (3), Bazemore (3).
Boston: Horford (2), Thomas (2), Crowder (3/4).
Detroit: Drummond (1), Jackson (3), Harris (4).
New York: Carmelo (2), Rose (2/3), Porzingis (3).
Washington: Wall (2), Beal (3), Mahimi (4).
Brooklyn: Lopez (2), Lin (3/4), Booker (4).
Orlando: Ibaka (2/3), Vucevic (3), Fournier (4).
Miami: Winslow (3), Whiteside (3), Dragic (3). (Bosh is a 1 if he can play, but...)
Milwaukee: Giannis (3), Jabari (3), Middleton (3).
Charlotte: Batum (2/3), Kemba (3/4), MKG (4).
Philly: Simmons (4), Embiid (4), Okafor (4).

Obviously this model doesn't account for overall team depth, or things like "Chicago and Indiana don't have anywhere near enough shooting for the modern NBA," or "Philly and Milwaukee's kids might make major leaps," or Chris Bosh's health. But it's safe to say that Toronto has more talent than any other team in the East other than Cleveland, and with the exception of Boston (who have the most depth) it's not particularly close either.

[Letter N]

For backup big depth .... why not?

Cause he's awful