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Barolt wrote: View PostKeep in mind, I was responding to someone using a picture of Noel blocking LeBron's shot and attempting to use that as evidence for why we need him.
Both the data I posted and the picture are equally useless.
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lewro wrote: View PostWill Lou specifically asked Matt Moore about acquiring noel as a rim protector in his recent podcast. Was that a "useless" question?
But a picture hardly counts as a basis for any sort of analysis.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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Barolt wrote: View PostNo! The idea of acquiring Noel makes sense for a few different reasons, and Will's a smart guy.
But a picture hardly counts as a basis for any sort of analysis.
Do you wanna show some data that demar doesn't "try hard".
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Idk I just see Noel as being an even higher ceiling Tyson Chandler on the defensive end of the floor, and we know what kind of wonders Casey has been able to work defensively with that kind of center despite having turnstiles in his backcourt like Barea and Jason Terry playing a ton of minutes. It's worth looking at.
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lewro wrote: View PostSorry I missed this. I was literally out to lunch at that time.
S.R., there is a huge difference in these photos. One is the best player in the world and our chief rival getting erased at the rim, the other is Marcus Thornton praying to Jesus. Bebe could be catching a rebound in that photo for all I can see.
Bebe is a finding himself but his 2 or 3 career best games are on par with Noels career avg games across 150 game sample. Big difference."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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Lupe wrote: View PostIdk I just see Noel as being an even higher ceiling Tyson Chandler on the defensive end of the floor, and we know what kind of wonders Casey has been able to work defensively with that kind of center despite having turnstiles in his backcourt like Barea and Jason Terry playing a ton of minutes. It's worth looking at."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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S.R. wrote: View PostLol, I don't know what's funnier, this comment, that you were actually serious about the original picture + caption, how far the Bebe picture went over your head, or how hard you are now backpedaling and contradicting yourself after being called out on this attempt at making an increasingly muddled point with a picture. The Raptors have to beat Lebron. Noel will help stop Lebron and Bebe won't, Bebe only stops guys like Marcus Thornton. No, you didn't mean Noel will help stop Lebron. Nobody can stop Lebron. The Raptors don't have a prayer against the Cavs. But Noel will help anyway. Just not necessarily against Lebron. Even though a picture of Noel blocking Lebron with a "We don't need this?" caption was just posted. I'm really, really confused right now.
I'm not gonna recount all of what I said, it's posted. I feel the same today as I did at the draft. Even better now that Noels price has likely come down. I think noel can help our defense. I think he can help vs lebron but we will still lose. That's the jist, seems straightforward to me.
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S.R. wrote: View PostSure, the odd thing about chasing Noel is he plays a position the team has locked up with a very good young player on a solid deal. Meanwhile they need a starting PF, SF seems thing, and the starting PG will be a FA next summer. Acquiring a new starting C is an odd move from a roster needs perspective.
Jv is not a good defender, whereas casey, Chandler and noel are defensive minded.
I'll add that Mavs team defeated lebron as well. Just so you are not confused, that doesn't mean I am saying the raps can or will beat lebron or that there are not a wealth of variables involved.
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lewro wrote: View PostI'm not backpedaling. Yes, I am serious about the photo and the caption. The bebe photo was over my head. I didnt exactly understand what I was looking at and I don't remember your caption now but iirc it was kinda of vague and sarcastic? I don't remember it's significance?
I'm not gonna recount all of what I said, it's posted. I feel the same today as I did at the draft. Even better now that Noels price has likely come down. I think noel can help our defense. I think he can help vs lebron but we will still lose. That's the jist, seems straightforward to me.
Our ceiling if we don't trade for Noel is Eastern Conference Finals, in all likelihood. The trade you're arguing for, you think, keeps our ceiling at Eastern Conference Finals, why do we make the trade?twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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S.R. wrote: View PostLol, I don't know what's funnier, this comment, that you were actually serious about the original picture + caption, how far the Bebe picture went over your head, or how hard you are now backpedaling and contradicting yourself after being called out on this attempt at making an increasingly muddled point with a picture. The Raptors have to beat Lebron. Noel will help stop Lebron and Bebe won't, Bebe only stops guys like Marcus Thornton. No, you didn't mean Noel will help stop Lebron. Nobody can stop Lebron. The Raptors don't have a prayer against the Cavs. But Noel will help anyway. Just not necessarily against Lebron. Even though a picture of Noel blocking Lebron with a "We don't need this?" caption was just posted. I'm really, really confused right now.
Acquiring Noel doesn't change any of the above factors for beating the Cavs, so he's really a lateral risk with potential (and cost) raises. Noel's injuries scare me for the price tag. Also don't know if he's the type to be willing to come off the bench. Lots of risks for a guy who probably can't play PF and isn't necessarily a better (or cheaper) option than our existing starting C.Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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KHD wrote: View Postpau gasol at this stage is not better defensively than valanciunas.If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.
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3inthekeon wrote: View PostIntuitively this seems correct, but Gasol had better DBPM and DRPM numbers the past 2 seasons and is ahead of JV this year as well.Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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I'd correct that statement to the "Raptors as currently constructed do not have a prayer against the Cavs". Don't let those 2 wins fool you, we are not beating Cleveland with a middling defense. I think I've said this a couple times already but LeBron has only lost to a non top 5 defense once and that was when he didn't show up to the series against Dallas, and they were still an elite defense at #8 (and while they weren't top 5 they were tailor-made to stop LeBron).
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