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DanH wrote: View PostAnd if he does miss more games, I agree that BeBe's average will go up. But he won't be taking minutes from JV on any consistent basis.
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostAll I know is that Casey is going to start changing things. His not going to take minutes away from Lowry/Deebo for poor d. Same thing can't be said about JV. Bebe makes lowry/Deebo look better on D. It's all about fit Dan.
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DanH wrote: View PostIf fit is the concern, we are discussing the wrong position. JV fits fine (read: great) with the stars so long as you have a floor stretching PF on the floor.
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostI'm talking about fit defensively and offensively. I think Bebe fits better with Lowry/Deebo with the way they want to play. I guess we can just agree to disagree.
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DanH wrote: View PostIt is very possible that if BeBe was a starting quality C, he might fit better with the way Lowry/DD play. Sadly, he is not, so it is irrelevant.
Bebe has become the C version of 2pat. Will end most nights leading the position in most advanced stats. Just like the stater 2pat.
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostI hope you know by saying Bebe is not a "starter" it contradicts every arguement you've had about 2pat starting.
Bebe has become the C version of 2pat. Will end most nights leading the position in most advanced stats. Just like the stater 2pat.
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Yeah, that's totally the same thing.
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DanH wrote: View PostYeah, except Pat has a season and a half of time with closing lineups against the opposition's best players in clutch game winning situations that suggests he would kill as a starter, and he has a raw rookie who doesn't fit with the starters in front of him, while Nogueira has basically zero data on him against non-backup opposition and has an established starting C in front of him.
Yeah, that's totally the same thing.
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostSo if Bebe keeps putting up these stats for the whole year. Would he be considered a starter in your eyes like 2pat?
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DanH wrote: View PostIf he played against starters, which he doesn't, sure.
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DanH wrote: View PostIf he played against starters, which he doesn't, sure.
However when you swap out JV for Bebe and Carroll for Powell you get a +69.9 netRTG.
Also our starters with JV replaced for Bebe (Lowry-DD-Carroll-Siakam-Bebe) have a +41.8 netRTG.
Pretty hard to say those latter two units aren't "playing against starters", and they have the highest netRTGs of our 11 most used lineups. Small sample size at this point in the season though.
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DanH wrote: View PostAgain, if we can convince the opposition to play their bench players 4 more minutes a game too, that logic holds up.
We need jv to guard our direct rivals like horford and Tristan. He struggles. At the very least we need him to matchup vs a big like Dwight. He struggles vs guards like kemba and Kyrie. Or perimter bigs like love, Frye, Millsap, etc.
We don't even use jvs offensive to punish these matchups.
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DanH wrote: View PostBeBe has literally only played in 4 games in the clutch this year. Valanciunas has played in 10.
When he's closing out games, it's because we have a big lead. So, yes, we do win more often when we have huge leads in the 4th. Shocker.
Bebe has played until the 4-6 mark and Pat has closed. Let's make sure the game is within single digits before we call it clutch.
The fact that jv doesn't close every game as our #3 player and most important defender in favour of a dleague call up is already alarming for a supposed contender.
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DanH wrote: View PostYou don't think Biz getting starter's minutes while JV was out had something to do with his higher minutes averages?
Just look at the playoffs in the first 10 games before JV was hurt. Biz averaged 17.5 MPG.
Jv also got hurt and we needed to biz. If we face Drummond or Dwight we will need jv but Tristan/love/Frye or horford is a different look for jv.
Also our guards struggled on offense. No guarantee jv gets the ball if they play our current offense. We need jv to anchor the D regardless. Pat and Bebe are the anchor ATM.
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