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  • Chr1s1anL
    started a topic Who has been the 3rd best Raptor?

    Who has been the 3rd best Raptor?

    We all know who the first two are but, whose been the 3rd best player on this team so far.

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  • NoPropsneeded
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    The fact that DeRozan gets hounded and still gets buckets and has a pree good TS% alone says how elite he is. Only elite players can score no matter what you throw at them

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  • Ball
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    Whew glad I didn't have to waste my breathe when everyone else tore that down for me!

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  • KeonClark
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    Guys, you're wasting time with quirk. He's not here to have an open discussion

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  • Matt Damon
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    Quirk wrote: View Post
    Yes, I'm being serious, and thems the facts, TS% don't lie. Odd, that having a realistic view of DeRozan is met with such out of hand dismissal and outright refusal to acknowledge facts.

    Were you an Iverson fan?

    http://wagesofwins.com/2012/10/08/mi...ll-time-great/
    Jeez, I don't know why I'm even humouring you but TS% is not the one and only barometer of a players value. By that logic, Lucas Noguiera is literally the third best player in the NBA (out of players who have played>45 games this season)

    Demar is a notoriously bad 3-point shooter—something his haters will seemingly never be able to stomach—and this hurts his TS%, but he is also arguably the toughest midrange cover in the game right now and gets to the FT line more(per 36) than all but 5 other players in the NBA.

    So much information you are not considering in your assessment of his game. The sets ran for him in our offence are almost exclusively ISOs where he creates his own shot. Also, 55% is still a very good TS%, 50% is about the league average, and taking into account the lack of a solid 3-point shot and the fact that he is constantly shooting midrange fadeaway jumper in the breath of his defenders, 55% is fantastic.

    BUT PLEASE, tell us some more about why we should reduce the role of the man whom has so gallantly carried the team on his back over the past couple weeks

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  • ogi
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    Quirk wrote: View Post
    His TS is 54.8%. League average SG is 54.9%, that's close enough if you ask me.

    He scores a lot of points, because he takes a lot of shots, most of which he misses.

    It's always considered trolling or bait when you want to express a realistic assessment of DeRozan.

    I like DeRozan, the NBA is an elite league, very few players make it, let alone thrive, and he has shown he belongs, He is not however one of the league's best players, and his playing the high usage role that he plays with the Raptors is one of the main reason the Raptors are not a Championship contender.

    TS 54.8%, his slightly above average passing and average defense (at best) is not good enough for the highest usage player on a championship team.

    I hope DeRozan retires a Raptor, but I would prefer to see him in a role with far less usage, not to mention salary.

    However, it's really cool that the Raptors are a really good team, even if they are not a great team, a perenial 50 win team is something Toronto has never had, and so I plan to enjoy it.

    Lowry is the best player in the history of the team. It's unclear how long his window will be, and it seems unlikely that we will get another star that can reduce DeRozan's usage during that window, especiallyt with this coach.

    So it is what it is and DeRozan is the third best Raptor on the team, behind Lowry, the best player the team has ever had, and JV, the best center that the team has ever had, which is the question asaked by this thread.
    Context is key when looking at usage and ts percentage. Your average shooting guard doesn't have opposing defenses keying in on him every game nor does he have to carry the insane offensive load derozan does. If your average shooting guard had to do those things then your average shooting guards ts percentage would plummet. Having sky high usage and maintaining super high efficiency is what MVP candidates do and I don't think anyone is seriously arguing that derozan is MVP.

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  • DanH
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    I think there's a pretty clear heirarchy of Lowry, DeMar, Ibaka, then a cluster of guys who are all really important to the team in their roles. Pat, JV, Tucker. Then you've got a bunch of guys who have a lot of interchangeability - CoJo, Wright, Carroll, Powell, Poeltl, BeBe. That's probably how I'd break it down right now.

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  • Nilanka
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    KeonClark wrote: View Post
    Ibaka is 3
    Ibaka's the obvious answer. But I can't help but wonder how much of the defensive turnaround is because of Tucker's contagious tenacity. His value goes far beyond the stat sheet. Especially considering he's got DeRozan to finally take pride in defence.

    Not to take anything away from Iblocka though....

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  • KeonClark
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    Nilanka wrote: View Post
    1. Lowry
    2. DeRozan
    3. Tucker
    Ibaka is 3

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  • lewro
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    "He is not however one of the league's best players, and his playing the high usage role that he plays with the Raptors is one of the main reason the Raptors are not a Championship contender."

    The cohort in the op is the raps, not the entire league.

    The fact that DeMar has such a high usage and still has a decent ts% is a positive. Tony Snell is top 5 SG in ts% but his usage is 3x less. You think we'd better with Snell at 35% usage and that his ts% would still be 60%?

    Kobe's career ts% is 55% on 32% USG. That guy was shit too, right?

    Quirk, I hope you bought the extended warranty on your washer/dryer bc you like to run the spin cycle on max.

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  • Nilanka
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    1. Lowry
    2. DeRozan
    3. Tucker

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  • tDotted
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    Bebe's got the highest TS% on the team at 69.3%. Let's get him more shots

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  • Quirk
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    Brian Scallabrine wrote: View Post
    Wow, so you are actually being serious. What a laughable comment.

    I am just going to take a step back and allow you believe whatever you so choose to, bless your heart and good luck.
    Yes, I'm being serious, and thems the facts, TS% don't lie. Odd, that having a realistic view of DeRozan is met with such out of hand dismissal and outright refusal to acknowledge facts.

    Were you an Iverson fan?

    http://wagesofwins.com/2012/10/08/mi...ll-time-great/

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  • Matt Damon
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    Quirk wrote: View Post
    I like DeRozan, the NBA is an elite league, very few players make it, let alone thrive, and he has shown he belongs, He is not however one of the league's best players, and his playing the high usage role that he plays with the Raptors is one of the main reason the Raptors are not a Championship contender...I hope DeRozan retires a Raptor, but I would prefer to see him in a role with far less usage, not to mention salary.
    Wow, so you are actually being serious. What a laughable comment.

    I am just going to take a step back and allow you believe whatever you so choose to, bless your heart and good luck.

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  • Quirk
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    Ball wrote: View Post
    I know this is bait, but averaging 27/5/4 on nearly 47% shooting isn't a "league average starter".

    His TS is 54.8%. League average SG is 54.9%, that's close enough if you ask me.

    He scores a lot of points, because he takes a lot of shots, most of which he misses.

    It's always considered trolling or bait when you want to express a realistic assessment of DeRozan.

    I like DeRozan, the NBA is an elite league, very few players make it, let alone thrive, and he has shown he belongs, He is not however one of the league's best players, and his playing the high usage role that he plays with the Raptors is one of the main reason the Raptors are not a Championship contender.

    TS 54.8%, his slightly above average passing and average defense (at best) is not good enough for the highest usage player on a championship team.

    I hope DeRozan retires a Raptor, but I would prefer to see him in a role with far less usage, not to mention salary.

    However, it's really cool that the Raptors are a really good team, even if they are not a great team, a perenial 50 win team is something Toronto has never had, and so I plan to enjoy it.

    Lowry is the best player in the history of the team. It's unclear how long his window will be, and it seems unlikely that we will get another star that can reduce DeRozan's usage during that window, especiallyt with this coach.

    So it is what it is and DeRozan is the third best Raptor on the team, behind Lowry, the best player the team has ever had, and JV, the best center that the team has ever had, which is the question asaked by this thread.

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