Everything 2017 Off-Season

[connected]

They have 1/3 of the NBA on a list. Who has that many targets, other than a rudderless ship? The length of the list shows how clueless they are. Also, this isn't a mistake. Most teams leak who they're interested in, these guys are showing everyone. Partly because this GM is fighting for his life.

Orlando fans are hating on his free agent list anyway -- that can't be good

True, also who puts Ibaka as a target when they just traded him away after half a year

[KeonClark]

They have 1/3 of the NBA on a list. Who has that many targets, other than a rudderless ship? The length of the list shows how clueless they are. Also, this isn't a mistake. Most teams leak who they're interested in, these guys are showing everyone. Partly because this GM is fighting for his life.

Orlando fans are hating on his free agent list anyway -- that can't be good

True, also who puts Ibaka as a target when they just traded him away after half a year

No where does it say these are their direct targets that they're honing in on this summer, other than you guys who are taking the ball and running with it.

These guys are working on an nba roster year round, more than 40 hour work weeks. It's called due diligence to list all the hybrid guys going into the summer.

[planetmars]

Too bad Orlando didn't trade Serge for Carroll and a pick instead of Ross and a pick. That would have been quite the fleecing if it ever happened.

[blackjitsu]

No where does it say these are their direct targets that they're honing in on this summer, other than you guys who are taking the ball and running with it.

These guys are working on an nba roster year round, more than 40 hour work weeks. It's called due diligence to list all the hybrid guys going into the summer.

This is the opposite of due diligence. Due diligence isn't writing everyone's name down, it's doing the work so that when you start writing lists you've already started narrowing things down. Furthermore, why the hell is this list on a white board? A young GM who doesn't use some sort of computer interface? Due diligence would be creating a list in a way that the whole world couldn't discover it. Not smiling at the camera while outing yourself. This picture is either intentional, or the complete opposite of due diligence.

Would Masai or any of those guys happen to have a white board with players names on it visible during a contract signing?

[Hotshot]

Tucker and 2Pat agents will use that image during contract negotiation.

Would Masai or any of those guys happen to have a white board with players names on it visible during a contract signing?

We don't have a white board we got IBM Watson and if we do get to see something then it would be strategic like having Paul George name on free agent target board while he still signed with the Pacers and say "oppsy" so as to not be accused of tampering.

[KeonClark]

This is the opposite of due diligence. Due diligence isn't writing everyone's name down, it's doing the work so that when you start writing lists you've already started narrowing things down. Furthermore, why the hell is this list on a white board? A young GM who doesn't use some sort of computer interface? Due diligence would be creating a list in a way that the whole world couldn't discover it. Not smiling at the camera while outing yourself. This picture is either intentional, or the complete opposite of due diligence.

Would Masai or any of those guys happen to have a white board with players names on it visible during a contract signing?

You're blowing it out of proportion. Is it that white board that horrifies you, that's it not an xcel spreadsheet? How do you know which step of their planning this list falls under? Lists are made every day for a myriad of reasons. Yes probably not good optics to have an agent tweet it wth his guy sitting in front of it, but "masai and those guys" have a documentary on national tv called open gym where they reveal a lot more than this list did.

[LJ2]

Looks like they value Denver players. Both Gallo and Chandler at the top of the list.

[Rudy Bargnani]

In he first column at the bottom, they have "Saric ( for AG?"

I think this is partly what is causing people to react or overreact.

[planetmars]

I don't know if they are valuing any player on that board.. I think it's just a list of hybrid players (forwards or centers). Some are free agents, some are under contract.

The Saric for AG is a bit funny considering they had the rights to Saric originally. They traded it to move up in the draft and grab Payton. In the same draft they took Gordon @ #4.

[saints91]

I think the mindset should be to resign Ibaka, Patterson, Tucker and Lowry. Really JV, Ibaka, and PP can split 96mins between them with Poetle and Pascal get get whatever minutes are left. That's a great three man rotation between 2 positions. You have Tucker who can play some 4 and the majority of the 3 with Norm playing back up 2 and 3.

I think both Cory and Carroll should be moved this summer, although I would love to see the exact same group back but the cap situation may get in the way of that.

[saints91]

Lowry $28mil (just guessing)
DD $28
Ibaka $20 (j.g.)
JV $15.5
PP $13 (j.g.)
Tucker $11 (j.g)
Poe

[saints91]

Poeltl 3
Delon 1.5
Siakam 1.2
Norm 1
Van Vleet 1
Rookie 1.5

[KeonClark]

Lowry $28mil (just guessing) - guess higher
DD $28
Ibaka $20 (j.g.) guess higher
JV $15.5
PP $13 (j.g.) likely guess higher
Tucker $11 (j.g) likely guess higher
Poe

More likely

[magoon]

A thought:

Carroll will be difficult to move, but not impossible. He can clearly still shoot the three and play some defense, and although $15m is too much for him, he'd probably still get $10m on the open market if he was a free agent this summer, so the overpay isn't that egregious. Obviously he can be moved. The question is what moves along with him, and what you get back as the price for moving him.

My thought is this: trade Carroll and Powell to [team] in exchange for a decent young player or pick. (Arguably you could throw Bebe in as well if any team wants him.)

My reasoning is this: Powell has a lot of value around the league, because he's at least $10m worth of player and for one more year you're paying 1/10th of that. Powell is a good player, but he's also a player the Raptors don't necessarily need because Delon Wright is at least comparable to him; Powell is a better shooter but Wright a better playmaker, and Wright can play the 2 at least as well as Powell, and shooting is easier to teach than playmaking is. And Wright's not even a bad shooter.

AND: in the 2018 offseason, Powell will cost you at least $10m and probably more for the 2018-19 season. Wright will cost you $2.5 million in 2018-19; if the team decides to extend him, the new salary won't kick in until 2019-2020.

Powell/Carroll is a package that can probably get back a good young player, because a lot of teams love Norman Powell - for good reason - and Carroll's salary stops being a poison pill when you add Powell to the deal, because suddenly you're getting a starter-quality wing in Powell plus a guy who can reasonably give you a good 20 minutes of game in Carroll for $16m, which is not a bad use of salary for a team that's weak on the wing (and lots of teams are weak on the wing). There's a good argument that teams would be willing to trade a draft pick or a good young player with two or three years of rookie contract left for that package.

And for Toronto, that matters because they don't need to spend $16m on players who aren't their stars, who for the next 2-3 years at least are Kyle, DeMar and Serge. $16m not being spent on Carroll and Powell is money that can be put towards re-signing Kyle, Serge, Tucker and 2Pat - obviously that won't be enough for everybody but, if Masai can get small annual discounts along the lines of what he got from DeMar (IE 1-3m under the max apiece for Kyle and Serge) and get 2Pat and Tucker resigned for $22m together or so, it should be just enough to keep us out of the luxury tax.

Potential targets:

Houston, for Sam Dekker (they have a lot of salary room this summer and a shortage of targets to spend it on, and Powell/Carroll would give them a lot of wing depth and both players should work in D'Antoni's system - plus provide more defense as needed; for Toronto, Dekker is a wing with some promise)

Chicago, for their first round pick (lots of salary room, they have no depth on the wing after Butler and Wade - and besides, Wade can opt out and most likely will because the team is bad, or Butler may demand the trade, or both)

New Orleans, for Quincy Pondexter (New Orleans needs talent everywhere else to bolster Boogie and AD and not a lot of bargaining chips; Pondexter isn't young, but he is a solid 3-and-D wing with a cheap salary)

Sacramento, for the lower of theirs and New Orleans' pick (Rudy Gay will opt out because he hates Sacramento, Tyreke Evans is a free agent and they don't want him back anyway, and they are Not Good At Drafting, so the lower of the two picks might well be a fair trade for Powell and Carroll because they'll get Powell's Bird rights in exchange for a 10-12th pick)

[golden]

^ Don't like any of those ideas, based on what Masai has been able to extract from tougher trade situations. If your idea is that you have to toss in a sweetener to unload Carroll, then I would think that the pool of options starts with Bebe, CoJo, Poeltl, Siakam and picks before tossing in Powell.

Powell is a nice flexible piece moving forward if he can develop a tighter handle to fit into Casey's dribble drive attack system - his work ethic indicates that has the ability make the necessary improvements in the upcoming off-seasons.

Next season is a contract year and we have his bird rights, which will be important when we're capped out. If he does blow up next year, then his trade value will be even higher at the trade deadline or next off-season so we'd regret trading him in this off-season just simply to assist in 'dumping Carroll'. If he doesn't blow up, then we can re-sign him for cheap and continue to develop him, so I think it makes more sense to wait & see, while taking full advantage of our bird rights. IMO, Powell is the logical successor to PJ, who is getting up there in age.