Everything OG Anunoby

[golden]

I don't put much stock in defensive metrics for basketball, so what they have to say about OG (or any other player) means very little to me. There is likely something to a wisdom of the crowds argument but they don't seem very useful or helpful (by way of example, Brook Lopez everybody!).

As for "effective", I might be tempted to say that the Raptors continue to have OG defend 1-5 and have for multiple seasons now cause he is effective at it. QED.

Well, if OG was actually effective in the playoffs.... the team wasn't. Why would they continue to do something just to make OG look good, but not the team? QNED.

[slaw]

Well, if OG was actually effective in the playoffs.... the team wasn't. Why would they continue to do something just to make OG look good, but not the team? QNED.

The Sixers series wasn't decided by OG's defensive deployment. Come on.

[Primer]

Yeah so the shot distribution isn't going to work the way you expect it to.

OK I'll do the math for you since you're being difficult.

Raptors took 7439 FGA last season, and 1749 FTA. That's 91.3 FGA per game and 21.3 FTA per game.

Assuming everyone plays 82 games so I don't need to guess who and how many games our top 8 will miss.

Siakam 16.3 FGA
VanVleet 14 FGA
Annunoby 16 FGA
Barnes 14 FGA
Achiuwa 9 FGA
Trent 13 FGA
Boucher 5 FGA
Young 4 FGA
Total = 91.3 FGA

You also have 11ish more attempts that are fouled on and come as FT.

Siakam 5 FTA
VanVleet 3 FTA
Annunoby 3 FTA
Barnes 4 FTA
Achiuwa 2 FTA
Trent 2.5 FTA
Boucher 1.5 FTA
Young 0.3 FTA
Total = 21.3 FTA

Toss in injuries and no reason OG can't average 20ppg.

[Primer]

That's not at all how shot distribution works.... teams don't have a plan as to how many shots guys are going to take in any given game, let alone across 82 games.Shot distribution sorts itself out over time and may, or may not, go the way teams think it will.

Well duh, but we can estimate since by the end of the season it tends to be pretty consistent for each guy year to year based on minutes played.

[grindhouse]

OK I'll do the math for you since you're being difficult.

Raptors took 7439 FGA last season, and 1749 FTA. That's 91.3 FGA per game and 21.3 FTA per game.

Assuming everyone plays 82 games so I don't need to guess who and how many games our top 8 will miss.

Siakam 16.3 FGA
VanVleet 14 FGA
Annunoby 16 FGA
Barnes 14 FGA
Achiuwa 9 FGA
Trent 13 FGA
Boucher 5 FGA
Young 4 FGA
Total = 91.3 FGA

You also have 11ish more attempts that are fouled on and come as FT.

Siakam 5 FTA
VanVleet 3 FTA
Annunoby 3 FTA
Barnes 4 FTA
Achiuwa 2 FTA
Trent 2.5 FTA
Boucher 1.5 FTA
Young 0.3 FTA
Total = 21.3 FTA

Toss in injuries and no reason OG can't average 20ppg.

can’t wait for the day this guy is traded

[TrueTorontoFan]

can’t wait for the day this guy is traded

who?

[KeonClark]

You giving Precious 16 shots a game? I'm sure as hell not. He can get all the put backs he wants and occasional wide open 3. Trent steals shots from other bench guys since they're not good for the most part.

I feel like you didn't watch the 2nd half of the season if you think Precious 2nd year with the Raptors will be all about "put backs and occasional wide open 3"...he was showing unbelievable versatility by the end of the year, our MIP. They had him isolating and going to the rack with the ball IN THE PLAYOFFS, and he was of the only Raptors that didn't look shy and kept up his end of the bargain against Philly. His 3 pt shooting was higher than the team average, and higher than league average, after a VERY poor hole he dug in October - December.

I suspect the Raptors have much bigger ambitions for Precious upcoming campaign than you do.

[golden]

I feel like you didn't watch the 2nd half of the season if you think Precious 2nd year with the Raptors will be all about "put backs and occasional wide open 3"...he was showing unbelievable versatility by the end of the year, our MIP. They had him isolating and going to the rack with the ball IN THE PLAYOFFS, and he was of the only Raptors that didn't look shy and kept up his end of the bargain against Philly. His 3 pt shooting was higher than the team average, and higher than league average, after a VERY poor hole he dug in October - December.

I suspect the Raptors have much bigger ambitions for Precious upcoming campaign than you do.

Hopefully those plans and ambitions include working on his FTs.

[TrueTorontoFan]

I feel like you didn't watch the 2nd half of the season if you think Precious 2nd year with the Raptors will be all about "put backs and occasional wide open 3"...he was showing unbelievable versatility by the end of the year, our MIP. They had him isolating and going to the rack with the ball IN THE PLAYOFFS, and he was of the only Raptors that didn't look shy and kept up his end of the bargain against Philly. His 3 pt shooting was higher than the team average, and higher than league average, after a VERY poor hole he dug in October - December.

I suspect the Raptors have much bigger ambitions for Precious upcoming campaign than you do.

precious has a LONG way to go before he reaches 16 shots a game. He needs to learn how to finish and make solid decisions. Maybe 8-10 opportunities and depending on how he is doing on a game to game but 16 shots is a LOT for a guy who shoots very poorly from FT and struggles to finish around the basket. Again he has a LOT of development first. I believei n the 3 point shot but the rest but he needs to do a lot more. He did go iso but he was doing that when the play was more broken you are talking about moving him up the pecking order to 3rd...

[Kagemusha]

Wait a second...
Why are some people here seem to be acting like we need to make some drastic moves for next season?

2023 is going to be another developmental year, there's no way we're contending next season.

[TrueTorontoFan]

Wait a second...
Are some people here seem to be acting like we need to make some drastic moves for next season?

2023 is going to be another developmental year, there's no way we're contending next season.

I have been suggesting gtj out.. if there is a move for donovan Mitchell or that level of player then yes you do a drastic move otherwise largely stay the same... with MLE being a major upgrade.

[KeonClark]

precious has a LONG way to go before he reaches 16 shots a game. He needs to learn how to finish and make solid decisions. Maybe 8-10 opportunities and depending on how he is doing on a game to game but 16 shots is a LOT for a guy who shoots very poorly from FT and struggles to finish around the basket. Again he has a LOT of development first. I believei n the 3 point shot but the rest but he needs to do a lot more. He did go iso but he was doing that when the play was more broken you are talking about moving him up the pecking order to 3rd...

Where did I say he'd be 3rd in pecking order, or 16 shots a game? I'm not attaching these numbers to people. I'm saying he's gonna be continued to show trust and grow his game, it's not just put backs and garbage buckets. He had a bigger role last year than "put backs", why would his role get smaller now.

[Primer]

Where did I say he'd be 3rd in pecking order, or 16 shots a game? I'm not attaching these numbers to people. I'm saying he's gonna be continued to show trust and grow his game, it's not just put backs and garbage buckets. He had a bigger role last year than "put backs", why would his role get smaller now.

His role on offense would be smaller starting vs coming off the bench. That's why.

[TrueTorontoFan]

Where did I say he'd be 3rd in pecking order, or 16 shots a game? I'm not attaching these numbers to people. I'm saying he's gonna be continued to show trust and grow his game, it's not just put backs and garbage buckets. He had a bigger role last year than "put backs", why would his role get smaller now.

depends on if you want to have him develop on the bench or thrust him into the starting role. Personally I would develop him off the bench with a steady diet of 25 minutes for the next two to three years. I still like the idea of getting Turner on this team

[The Great One]

Damian Lillard btw liked Jeff Fisher's report of OG being dissatisfied with his role in Toronto's pecking order.