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  • SkywalkerAC
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    Don't forget how effective he was setting crushing screens for much of the regular season. Ibaka is not that kind of screener. Poeltl has potential the way he creates the passing lane on the roll, but he's not built to throw his weight around just yet. Finally, a double double in 28 minutes is nothing to sneeze at.

    On another tangent. This summer league confirms how much I freaking love this youth brigade we have. The 905 championship was no accident. This is bunch of young guys that know how to play together and apart. I mean, there's like 7 (Delon, FVV, Powell, Bruno, OG, Pascal, Poeltl, Bebe) no, 8 of these guys on the team before you even get to the 2-way duo.

    Pretty fucking badass if you ask me.

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  • Scraptor
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    Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    If he doesn't get traded I could see him getting even less minutes this year. Remember we didn't have Ibaka for the whole season. I think Ibaka will play even more minutes at Center this year. Also Yak/Pskills are going to get more minutes this year.

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    If that ends up being the case, what a waste in asset value. JV could have fetched a serious return after last year's playoffs.

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  • Chr1s1anL
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    saints91 wrote: View Post
    If anything they should try to give him a bigger role, sink or swim. If they really intend on moving him, showcasing him would be the way to go, you don't lessen the minutes and bring down his value any lower.
    They wont showcase him at the cost of Ws though. There is reason why JV doesn't close games. It's cause other teams target him and put him in 1/5 PnR. That's a bucket everytime down for the opposition.

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  • KeonClark
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    saints91 wrote: View Post
    If anything they should try to give him a bigger role, sink or swim. If they really intend on moving him, showcasing him would be the way to go, you don't lessen the minutes and bring down his value any lower.
    If you're Christian you lock JV up and throw away the key. Or possibly get a pack of gatorade back in a trade. Just get him out of christians friggin sight before he pukes

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  • KeonClark
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    Scraptor wrote: View Post
    I thought Ibaka is basically our starting C now, no? It sure reads that way from all the media tea leaves.
    Mainstream basketball media in Toronto knows less than us..and I'm not really exaggerating. It's really quite a pathetic group lol

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  • saints91
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    If anything they should try to give him a bigger role, sink or swim. If they really intend on moving him, showcasing him would be the way to go, you don't lessen the minutes and bring down his value any lower.

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  • Chr1s1anL
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    saints91 wrote: View Post
    JV is really getting shit on this offseason. Going into his 6th season playing an average of 26mins a game and he's averaging an efficient double double. His D needs improvement but it's possible he can improve. I hope he come back with a vengeance.
    If he doesn't get traded I could see him getting even less minutes this year. Remember we didn't have Ibaka for the whole season. I think Ibaka will play even more minutes at Center this year. Also Yak/Pskills are going to get more minutes this year.

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  • Nilanka
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    Scraptor wrote: View Post
    I thought Ibaka is basically our starting C now, no? It sure reads that way from all the media tea leaves.
    This is how view the situation.

    - If Jonas stays, Jonas starts at 5
    - if Jonas gets traded, Ibaka starts at 5

    Don't know if I like the idea of Jonas off the bench. Unless of course, he's actually given the ball in bench minutes.

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  • DanH
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    Scraptor wrote: View Post
    I thought Ibaka is basically our starting C now, no? It sure reads that way from all the media tea leaves.
    Media tea leaves are worth about as much as regular tea leaves.

    But it's possible. No way to know for certain until they suit up for game 1. But based on the roster construction, it doesn't look like they have much of a plan at PF beyond Ibaka, which would preclude him from too many C minutes.

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  • Scraptor
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    I thought Ibaka is basically our starting C now, no? It sure reads that way from all the media tea leaves.

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  • DanH
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
    Yet you seem to insist upon starting JV and aren't even considering the reasons why we shouldn't. It would help his game AND the team.
    Yeah, except I am considering, and deciding it would not be to the team's benefit. Just because I am capable of thinking before typing, and therefore don't type out my every thought, doesn't mean I'm not thinking about this stuff.

    I fully believe Poeltl is not ready to be a full time starter and would benefit from consistent minutes primarily against bench players, though I am pegging him for a few transitional lineups where he'll see short spurts of more difficult competition. I'm putting him in the DD bench unit where he succeeded so much in a small sample last year right out of the gate, hopefully he can help that lineup be a positive impact lineup this year.

    I also think JV playing a good chunk of his minutes against bench units (not all, so we can shield Poeltl somewhat) would benefit the bench unit, which will need an offensive punch with Powell and Pat gone from there, and also benefit JV, letting him play more with Lowry and more against bench units where the defence doesn't have to be on a string as much, and in theory he can do some real damage on the boards (the one area where the bench units tended to struggle last season).

    Ibaka playing some C at the end of the game saves Poeltl from being thrown into that fire too early, and stops JV from having to play those minutes unless it's an ideal matchup, so those minutes are taken care of.

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  • Shaolin Fantastic
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    saints91 wrote: View Post
    JV is really getting shit on this offseason. Going into his 6th season playing an average of 26mins a game and he's averaging an efficient double double. His D needs improvement but it's possible he can improve. I hope he come back with a vengeance.
    How is saying someone should come off the bench shitting on them? Was Kerr shitting on Iguodala, when he asked him to come off the bench so he could start Barnes? No, he was making a decision he thought was best for the team.

    I don't get this narrow-minded thinking. I'd argue JV would have more opportunity to actually shine coming off the bench than starting, and still play the same amount of minutes. Right now in the starting unit there are 3 others guys with 20%+ usage who combine for nearly 80% usage as a threesome. There's only so many touches in that group. Meanwhile if he plays more with the bench, he's out there with inexperienced guys like Powell and Wright more who will be looking for him as a leader and outlet.

    It's not about shitting on JV it's about looking at ways to do something different to help the team. I have no interest in trashing our players.

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  • Shaolin Fantastic
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    I've got Poeltl/Siakam as the frontcourt for the DD+bench unit with Miles on the wing, with Ibaka and Poeltl sharing the frontcourt for transitional lineups, and JV/Siakam as the frontcourt for the Lowry+bench unit.

    I do think Siakam should be able to spread the floor a bit. If not, the result will probably be similar to the disaster that was the JV/Siakam frontcourt last season. We're kind of betting on it unless we run Miles at the 4 a lot more than expected.

    As someone who spent all of the last two seasons talking incessantly about spacing in lineups, I assure you I have considered the subject.
    Yet you seem to insist upon starting JV and aren't even considering the reasons why we shouldn't. It would help his game AND the team.

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  • saints91
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    JV is really getting shit on this offseason. Going into his 6th season playing an average of 26mins a game and he's averaging an efficient double double. His D needs improvement but it's possible he can improve. I hope he come back with a vengeance.

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  • c-troop
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    charlesnba23 wrote: View Post
    Lowry/Wright/VanVleet
    DeRozan/Powell
    Miles/Anonuby/Caboclo
    Ibaka/Siakam
    Valanciunas/Poeltl/Nogueira

    Love this squad!! What's going to be our next move? Can we still sign a player that can be on the 12 men? Tony Allen would be amazing, as of Afflalo or Ilyasova! If not, the team is pretty cool as it is!
    ilyasova would be great, maybe add Thabo too if we can

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