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  • A.I
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    planetmars wrote: View Post

    Everyone looks up to Lebron, and Lebron is no longer taking any more pay cuts. It's a business and players will take every inch they can. I bet all the players, ie) his peers, are really happy for him.

    The only home court discount now a days is term.. and even that means nothing when a guy can demand a trade like PG just did this summer, or AD did last year.

    Best NBA contracts will be for guys that under perform into their second contract, sign a long term secure deal, and then become MIP candidates overnight. Pascal's growth came 1 year too early.
    Pascal's growth helped us win a championship. If Pascal continues to improve, he becomes star player and the contract is worth, if he doesn't, then he already proved he is the second scoring option on a championship team. 2020 free agency isn't good, 2021 will be a crazy one though and some of our players come off the books.

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  • slaw
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    Siakam was the second best player on a championship team. Brown is the fourth or fifth (?) option in Boston and is coming off a disappointing season. Hield is a nice player but he’s a step or two below Pascal.

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  • planetmars
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    golden wrote: View Post

    Yeah, I know how market dynamics work and Pascal took full advantage of the timing. Like I said, good for him. I was hoping he would have been a bit less greedy, but I guess the days of Duncan, Ginobili and Parker taking hometown discounts are ancient history.

    I mean, you could compare Pascal to Murray and Simmons (full max), but you could also use Jaylen Brown and Buddy Hield's offers as comps (20-22M/yr). I thought he would end up coming somewhere in between, say 25-27M/year. That said, after Pascal's deal, Brown and Buddy probably aren't going to take those offers.
    Everyone looks up to Lebron, and Lebron is no longer taking any more pay cuts. It's a business and players will take every inch they can. I bet all the players, ie) his peers, are really happy for him.

    The only home court discount now a days is term.. and even that means nothing when a guy can demand a trade like PG just did this summer, or AD did last year.

    Best NBA contracts will be for guys that under perform into their second contract, sign a long term secure deal, and then become MIP candidates overnight. Pascal's growth came 1 year too early.

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  • golden
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    slaw wrote: View Post

    This is irrelevant. You can only compare contracts to other similarly situated players in terms of years and time of signing. This is absolutely in the market compared to his peers and may even be below market without the fifth year.
    Yeah, I know how market dynamics work and Pascal took full advantage of the timing. Like I said, good for him. I was hoping he would have been a bit less greedy, but I guess the days of Duncan, Ginobili and Parker taking hometown discounts are ancient history.

    I mean, you could compare Pascal to Murray and Simmons (full max), but you could also use Jaylen Brown and Buddy Hield's offers as comps (20-22M/yr). I thought he would end up coming somewhere in between, say 25-27M/year. That said, after Pascal's deal, Brown and Buddy probably aren't going to take those offers.

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  • planetmars
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    Pascal was one of the best players out of his draft class. So he gets paid for it. It's really that simple.

    Pascal, Ben and Jamal got the max. Buddy wants one too (but the Kings screwed themselves by signing Harrison Barnes). They are all worth it IMO. It's how the NBA works. Jaylen wants one too but he's under performed.

    Next year, Tatum will get a max. As will Fox and Mitchell. I wouldn't be surprised if Markkanen or Bam got one as well.

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  • Shredder
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    It's market value.

    The dude had a breakout season last year. He was a key piece to a championship team. He won MIP.

    He was going to get his bag, either from us or some other team. This way we keep him and keep in good standings with him. Could it backfire? There's always a chance. There's also a chance that he continues to progress, and plays into this contract.

    Anyone on the list that he is making more, will be making the same or more the next time their contract comes up. Unless they have crappy agents.

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  • slaw
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    golden wrote: View Post

    Comparing Pascal to overpaid guys doesn't make me feel better about it. Davis has been a consistently top 5 player for years ... by stats anyway. He deserves a monster deal. Pascal hasn't earned this deal yet. It's a hope and a prayer.
    Davis got paid as much as he could when he was able to sign his last deal. He will make way more once he signs his next deal. You know this. These deals are not indicators of who the best player is.

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  • slaw
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    golden wrote: View Post

    Jokic, Towns, Gobert,....
    This is irrelevant. You can only compare contracts to other similarly situated players in terms of years and time of signing. This is absolutely in the market compared to his peers and may even be below market without the fifth year.

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  • golden
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    007 wrote: View Post

    Another way to look at it: Siakam will be paid less than or roughly equal to Mike Conley, Gordon Hayward, Tobias Harris, Khris Middleton, Kemba Walker and Jamal Murray. Beal will be the same once his extension kicks in. Davis will get a monster deal next summer, which will start same time as Pascal’s
    Comparing Pascal to overpaid guys doesn't make me feel better about it. Davis has been a consistently top 5 player for years ... by stats anyway. He deserves a monster deal. Pascal hasn't earned this deal yet. It's a hope and a prayer.

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  • slaw
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    I’m having trouble understanding the reaction to this. What did people think he was going to get paid?

    This is is basically best case scenario. No fifth year and no player option. It’s a good deal for all parties.

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  • golden
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    MixxAOR wrote: View Post

    damn he's not better than any of those guys
    Jokic, Towns, Gobert,....

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  • golden
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    Good for Pascal getting the full max. I'm a bit surprised he didn't even leave a few crumbs on the table as a token gesture to help the franchise, like DeMar did.

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  • planetmars
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    Interesting that it was 4 years and not 5. Wonder if that came from Pascal's camp. It's a 25% max not 30% unless he gets an all-nba honour (let's hope he doesn't lol).

    He doesn't have to be a top 10 player. But a top 25 is realistic. He's older but we get him for his prime years: 25-30. He's an all-star caliber player and doesn't shrink in big moments (was huge in game 1 of the NBA finals).

    He's probably already a top 25 guy in my eyes. He's got work to do to be a top 10 guy and maybe he gets there. But that was his market. Rather have him than not have him, and he's on a tradeable contract unless he gets hurt. So if we go into a tank type of rebuild (which I doubt), he can fetch quite a bit on the open market.

    We're no longer buyers in 2020. Can't really afford anyone good. But that class looks like garbage anyway.

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  • Rudy Bargnani
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    Happy for him. Happy with the deal. Secured him for 4 more years and eliminates chance of having to match a 2+1 offer in the summer.

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  • RandomGuy
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    007 wrote: View Post

    Another way to look at it: Siakam will be paid less than or roughly equal to Mike Conley, Gordon Hayward, Tobias Harris, Khris Middleton, Kemba Walker and Jamal Murray. Beal will be the same once his extension kicks in. Davis will get a monster deal next summer, which will start same time as Pascal’s
    That's a nice way to look at it but it also makes us look like a small market team. Right now he better live up to his new contract and be a top 10 player or get traded.
    Last edited by RandomGuy; Sat Oct 19th, 2019, 04:53 PM.

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