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  • DanH
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    big boi wrote: View Post

    You believe Wiseman and Kuminga have negative trade value?

    He's also been prolifically awful, not just awful - prolifically awful, in the Boston series. More recently.

    He also had problems last year.

    Yeah, if we focus only on Siakam's successes, not on his failures. If we ignore his attitude problems. If we say that Wiggins is a bad player. If we say that Wiseman has negative trade value after his first year, specifically this past year (and that's just who he is presumably)..., and Kuminga somehow has negative trade value too?.... I guess if we say all of that, then yes.
    No, I said if we were judging entirely on performance this past year and not considering upside, they would have negative trade value - Kuminga has never played in the NBA and had a very disappointing G-League performance and Wiseman was awful. The whole point is that the entire trade package is built on potential.

    I'm saying for the trade package to make sense, their potential would have to dramatically outweigh Pascal's, because his current ability and even value on his contract is way better than all of those players, even after a down year. And for their potential to outweigh Pascal's, they need to project as all-NBA players, because we already know Pascal is capable of that.

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  • big boi
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    A.I wrote: View Post

    I think you can push them for an overpay for Pascal. The trio of Curry, Klay and Draymond don't have a lot of time left to win a championship, Pascal might be the perfect player to slot into that trio.
    I tend to agree

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  • Yuri Gagarin
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    S.R. wrote: View Post

    Fun fact! This past year Siakam had a TS% of 50.1% in the clutch (last 5 min <= 5 pts). Kawhi had a 46.1%. They both averaged 0.3 TOV in the clutch and Siakam scored 1.6 PTS to Kawhi's 1.3.

    Obviously Kawhi is still the better player but I'd say this of Siakam's season - the failures were high profile and created a disproportionately negative narrative around his game. A whole bunch of people are going to be hopping back on his bandwagon this season.
    Ya I said playoffs.

    but im surprised because for reg season 44 players that shot 40 or more clutch shots siakam is 40th (van vleet last) and siakams 3% is atrocious and fts just ok so im not sure how his ts% can be good. Could you send a link please?

    https://www.nba.com/stats/players/cl...s&CF=FGA*GE*40

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  • Kagemusha
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    S.R. wrote: View Post

    Yeah I really don't understand what appears to be a lack of urgency in GS, maybe they make some moves this season but Curry will be 34 this year and Klay and Draymond 32 and all 3 have had recent and often significant injury issues. The time is right now for that core and some nice-ish but raw prospects in their early 20's don't really help. They should be having a Chicago/LAL/Brooklyn type offseason and loading up with everything possible. They're just coasting along.
    They're on wait and see until the trade deadline.
    They probably think Pascal ain't going anywhere.

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  • MixxAOR
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    Eric Montross 00 wrote: View Post

    Honesty, I am being realistic here, I think on Warriors' side, they won't make Wiseman+Wiggins for Siakam deal, likely Moody+Wiggins, future picks for Siakam
    That doesn't do anything for us. I think I'm being realistic here too Raptors won't make that deal. It's not enough

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  • S.R.
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    A.I wrote: View Post

    I think you can push them for an overpay for Pascal. The trio of Curry, Klay and Draymond don't have a lot of time left to win a championship, Pascal might be the perfect player to slot into that trio.
    Yeah I really don't understand what appears to be a lack of urgency in GS, maybe they make some moves this season but Curry will be 34 this year and Klay and Draymond 32 and all 3 have had recent and often significant injury issues. The time is right now for that core and some nice-ish but raw prospects in their early 20's don't really help. They should be having a Chicago/LAL/Brooklyn type offseason and loading up with everything possible. They're just coasting along.

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  • S.R.
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    big boi wrote: View Post

    What about in last year's Boston Series? Or if we're not going to cherry pick, what about the whole playoffs. How did he shoot as a total last year, again not cherry picking.

    How does Siakam compare and contrast to a max player like Tatum?
    NBA.com player stats database is super cool

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  • Dvdvideo
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    I think a lot of the negatives in terms of Pascal performance last year were a result of leaving him on an island. You would see elite players output drop on any team playing 4 on 5, which the raptors did for most of the season.

    Combine that with covid, no home court, living away from home all year and the year before, etc, and you have a perfect storm working against him, and he still did faily well.

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  • Eric Montross 00
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    A.I wrote: View Post

    I think you can push them for an overpay for Pascal. The trio of Curry, Klay and Draymond don't have a lot of time left to win a championship, Pascal might be the perfect player to slot into that trio.
    ONLY at the trade deadline, when they see they are one piece away to win it all, and they are in the top 2 seed in the West, then they can go ALL IN (Kinda like we traded JV+Wright+Bruno for Gasol), and honesty that was quite a lot to give up

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  • A.I
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    Eric Montross 00 wrote: View Post

    Honesty, I am being realistic here, I think on Warriors' side, they won't make Wiseman+Wiggins for Siakam deal, likely Moody+Wiggins, future picks for Siakam
    I think you can push them for an overpay for Pascal. The trio of Curry, Klay and Draymond don't have a lot of time left to win a championship, Pascal might be the perfect player to slot into that trio.

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  • Eric Montross 00
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    MixxAOR wrote: View Post

    Harden completely tanked his value with Houston. Everybody knew he was leaving and everybody knew he wanted a particular set of teams. Westbrook is trash so ofc I want more for Siakam
    Honesty, I am being realistic here, I think on Warriors' side, they won't make Wiseman+Wiggins for Siakam deal, likely Moody+Wiggins, future picks for Siakam

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  • MixxAOR
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    Eric Montross 00 wrote: View Post

    To this day, I still think that offer was just some kind of fantasy rumors, I doubt it was the REAL and Actual Offer for Siakam

    I think that offer was too much for Warriors to Offer, and it laid a BAD Parameter Impression that this is the standard for Siakam, and anything lower than that is a no deal, I am not even sure Siakam is Good Enough to get this kind of deal. This deal is MUCH BETTER than what Houston got from Harden, and Wizards got from Westbrook, lets be real here.
    Harden completely tanked his value with Houston. Everybody knew he was leaving and everybody knew he wanted a particular set of teams. Westbrook is trash so ofc I want more for Siakam

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  • Eric Montross 00
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    MixxAOR wrote: View Post
    time for Wiggins Wiseman and picks for Siakam was before the draft. Now after the draft value of those picks significantly lower. I'm not doing the trade for Wiseman and Wiggins and Kuminga.
    To this day, I still think that offer was just some kind of fantasy rumors, I doubt it was the REAL and Actual Offer for Siakam

    I think that offer was too much for Warriors to Offer, and it laid a BAD Parameter Impression that this is the standard for Siakam, and anything lower than that is a no deal, I am not even sure Siakam is Good Enough to get this kind of deal. This deal is MUCH BETTER than what Houston got from Harden, and Wizards got from Westbrook, lets be real here.

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  • MixxAOR
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    time for Wiggins Wiseman and picks for Siakam was before the draft. Now after the draft value of those picks significantly lower. I'm not doing the trade for Wiseman and Wiggins and Kuminga.

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  • big boi
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    DanH wrote: View Post

    Pascal has bankable upside, and his trade value right now is low based on actual performance.

    Those guys' trade value is literally negative based on actual performance. You are trading for ONLY upside, and it is very easily arguable that Pascal by himself has more upside than all those pieces combined, considering he has already realized (in the very recent past) 2nd team all-NBA potential.
    You believe Wiseman and Kuminga have negative trade value?

    He's also been prolifically awful, not just awful - prolifically awful, in the Boston series. More recently.

    He also had problems last year.

    Yeah, if we focus only on Siakam's successes, not on his failures. If we ignore his attitude problems. If we say that Wiggins is a bad player. If we say that Wiseman has negative trade value after his first year, specifically this past year (and that's just who he is presumably)..., and Kuminga somehow has negative trade value too?.... I guess if we say all of that, then yes.

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