Everything Pascal Siakam

[TrueTorontoFan]

The difference would be that on the Demar for Kawhi trade we were already at the top of the conference with ECF appearance and high reg season wins the years prior. Team was primed for a finals run. We're rebuilding now, so if we were to get a superstar here with Siakam as the trade centerpiece, we'd still be treading water.

Team needs some time to develop and add value from within now. If anything the only Siakam move that would make sense is a for a solid young prospect, ballast, and 3 or 4 first round picks imo. That's what would golden state would have to cough up at minimum, but as usual, they probably want to have the cake and eat it too (like Philly at the trade deadline with Lowry). Sometimes you need to sacrifice some of the future to make a true title push now, but a lot of times teams want to have both it ways. So Siakam ain't going nowhere, they can salivate all they want.

both could make sense depending on how the season goes but premptively doing it right now is too early for one move or another. Siakam is also on a longer term deal and its not like he is playing like ben simmons so you can actually get assets for the guy that are decent.


Also the teams that want siakam don't have 3-4 first round picks on average and if they do its not picks that you want. Think about LA and their teams... what picks are you getting... picks that are in 2027 and 2028... that is so far out that who the heck knows and doesn't help you for this situation anyways so then lets say you end up in the same situation you are now. Barnes being siakam or OG level good but no one to pair him with in 3 years.... well SHUCKS.. doesn't that just suck a fat one...

Also you aren't out tanking the Thunder or Houston for the next 3 years and a few other teams so what are we doing with trying to get worse except watch a crap product

[TrueTorontoFan]

Not really. Fred is our Udonis Haslem.

when was the last time he played again?

[TrueTorontoFan]

If you trade Pascal it has to be for the final piece of the puzzle (DeMar for Kawhi), right?

correct

[TrueTorontoFan]

Yeah, on the one hand there's a core of players a couple years behind them. On the other hand it's not like you line up a team of 7 guys born in the same year, ever. I see more of management keeping their options open by keeping contracts as flexible as possible. All depends on what happens, how guys develop, how the team does, what offers come up, etc. They could hang onto these guys if things are going great. They could look to make moves if progress stalls or a great opportunity comes up. Basically what they've been doing to date. A bit different of a situation than if you have an Embiid or a Giannis on the roster, for sure.

exactly you don't trap yourself into one way out unless you have to

[KeonClark]

kyle missed a bunch of games that season and we still did fine in them. all the biggest offensive contributors on tht team missed games and we didn't miss a beat.

i just don't see a whole lot of difference between that team that leaned on a scoring by committee approach centered and this one. i'm not saying i expect we'll be as good as that team, this one is way younger and don't have the same chemistry, just that neither team relied on or will rely on heavily one or two players to carry the scoring burden.

I'll say it again, the 3 young guys are the x factor on how this season will go (Flynn, barnes, precious). We have 6 nba pros who have all proven they can average 15+ a game. Then we have birch whos essentially a decent warm body at the 5. After that, it's all question marks. If 2 or 3 of those kids play really well this year, its gonna be a fun season where we surprise pundits (again)

[chris]

We lost Lowry and his 17ppg from the season you are referring to.

We are very much down to 3 reliable scorers in Pascal, FVV and what I would expect is Trent Jr.

kyle missed a bunch of games that season and we still did fine in them. all the biggest offensive contributors on tht team missed games and we didn't miss a beat.

i just don't see a whole lot of difference between that team that leaned on a scoring by committee approach centered and this one. i'm not saying i expect we'll be as good as that team, this one is way younger and don't have the same chemistry, just that neither team relied on or will rely on heavily one or two players to carry the scoring burden.

[planetmars]

We lost Lowry and his 17ppg from the season you are referring to.

We are very much down to 3 reliable scorers in Pascal, FVV and what I would expect is Trent Jr.

Dragic can give you 13-14ppg and I assume Malachi gets a bit better than last season to make up the difference. Lowry gave us far more than ppg however. He was the floor leader whenever he was out there.

It's Birch who I think will regress without Kyle to feed him easy buckets all game long.

[LJ2]

ppl keep saying this but we had our most successful regular season as a franchise just the year before last without a "go-to" scorer, or at least without one that isn't already on this roster. the balanced attack approach has already proven pretty viable.

sure the playoffs may be a different beast but i don't see GTJr as the dude that's gonna carry a half-court offense on his own. those guys are still few and far between and gary ain't it.

We lost Lowry and his 17ppg from the season you are referring to.

We are very much down to 3 reliable scorers in Pascal, FVV and what I would expect is Trent Jr.

[saints91]

I think we haven't seen enough of what Gary can do... I think he will be our bucket getter... He can hit the three, he has a great slash and pull up game in the midrange, and he can get anywhere he wants on the floor. I think driving and taking contact at the rim is his weak point, but nothing that can't be focused on.

His defence was worse playing for us than he was for Portland... I think it's just getting used to the guys around you, and learning the teams schemes... we have one of the most complicated defences to learn.

[chris]

I like what OG brings, but it's the potential of Trent Jr. as a scorer that has me leaning towards keeping him (if it meant replacing one with Barnes). I think Barnes would bring pretty close to what OG gives us on defense (in time), but we are hurting for guys that can score.

Trent Jr. may end up being T. Ross 2.0, an inconsistent player on both ends of the floor, and OG is a known commodity so there is that to consider.

ppl keep saying this but we had our most successful regular season as a franchise just the year before last without a "go-to" scorer, or at least without one that isn't already on this roster. the balanced attack approach has already proven pretty viable.

sure the playoffs may be a different beast but i don't see GTJr as the dude that's gonna carry a half-court offense on his own. those guys are still few and far between and gary ain't it.

[LJ2]

If you are choosing between OG and Trent for your team, you choose OG every single time.

I like what OG brings, but it's the potential of Trent Jr. as a scorer that has me leaning towards keeping him (if it meant replacing one with Barnes). I think Barnes would bring pretty close to what OG gives us on defense (in time), but we are hurting for guys that can score.

Trent Jr. may end up being T. Ross 2.0, an inconsistent player on both ends of the floor, and OG is a known commodity so there is that to consider.

[SkywalkerAC]

Yup, we have to see just how competitive we can be as currently constructed. If Pascal can have a roster this young into the playoffs, bodes well.

[LJ2]

The difference would be that on the Demar for Kawhi trade we were already at the top of the conference with ECF appearance and high reg season wins the years prior. Team was primed for a finals run. We're rebuilding now, so if we were to get a superstar here with Siakam as the trade centerpiece, we'd still be treading water.

Team needs some time to develop and add value from within now. If anything the only Siakam move that would make sense is a for a solid young prospect, ballast, and 3 or 4 first round picks imo. That's what would golden state would have to cough up at minimum, but as usual, they probably want to have the cake and eat it too (like Philly at the trade deadline with Lowry). Sometimes you need to sacrifice some of the future to make a true title push now, but a lot of times teams want to have both it ways. So Siakam ain't going nowhere, they can salivate all they want.

Agreed, they have to give this core a chance to see where it goes. Doubtful any Pascal move would be soon.

[SkywalkerAC]

If you are choosing between OG and Trent for your team, you choose OG every single time.

Or better yet - you don't have to choose.

[inthepaint]

If you trade Pascal it has to be for the final piece of the puzzle (DeMar for Kawhi), right?

The difference would be that on the Demar for Kawhi trade we were already at the top of the conference with ECF appearance and high reg season wins the years prior. Team was primed for a finals run. We're rebuilding now, so if we were to get a superstar here with Siakam as the trade centerpiece, we'd still be treading water.

Team needs some time to develop and add value from within now. If anything the only Siakam move that would make sense is a for a solid young prospect, ballast, and 3 or 4 first round picks imo. That's what would golden state would have to cough up at minimum, but as usual, they probably want to have the cake and eat it too (like Philly at the trade deadline with Lowry). Sometimes you need to sacrifice some of the future to make a true title push now, but a lot of times teams want to have both it ways. So Siakam ain't going nowhere, they can salivate all they want.