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  • Jclaw
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    I can’t imagine Masai selling so low unless he is blown away

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  • Kagemusha
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    Looks like Pascal's Raptor days are numbered.

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  • LJ2
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    S.R. wrote: View Post
    Siakam's offence isn't bad though, his 3 pt shooting tailing off was a struggle and some rimmed out closing shots were very visible. But it's hard to overstate how much of an evolution he's gone through offensively the past two years. This is a guy who used to get 2/3 of his FGM made assisted. Now 2/3 are unassisted. He used to be a close-to-the-basket finisher, now he initiates and shoots from all over the floor. His assists are up, his 2P% is up over a year ago. He's done a lot and still done a lot of it well.

    imho they put him in too many tough spots in the name of development though, got to balance the new with the established strengths. That looked a lot better towards the end of the season. That can definitely be better next year.

    And I don't think he's going to be your go-to, game closing scorer 90% of the time like they kept iso'ing him for last year. Need that from someone else, ask Siakam to do it some here and there but not be the primary guy for that. It's hard for a big to do that anytime.
    He's a very good second option and a really versatile defender. Just have bring in a true first scoring option and move Siakam back to his natural role. Considering how much both he and Freddy have improved since the championship year how scary would the Raps be if they got that elusive first scoring option?

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  • slaw
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    S.R. wrote: View Post
    Siakam's offence isn't bad though, his 3 pt shooting tailing off was a struggle and some rimmed out closing shots were very visible. But it's hard to overstate how much of an evolution he's gone through offensively the past two years. This is a guy who used to get 2/3 of his FGM made assisted. Now 2/3 are unassisted. He used to be a close-to-the-basket finisher, now he initiates and shoots from all over the floor. His assists are up, his 2P% is up over a year ago. He's done a lot and still done a lot of it well.

    imho they put him in too many tough spots in the name of development though, got to balance the new with the established strengths. That looked a lot better towards the end of the season. That can definitely be better next year.

    And I don't think he's going to be your go-to, game closing scorer 90% of the time like they kept iso'ing him for last year. Need that from someone else, ask Siakam to do it some here and there but not be the primary guy for that. It's hard for a big to do that anytime.
    He was the second leading scorer on a championship team and was for long stretches of the playoffs their second best player. No, he is not Kevin Durant but he gets way too much heat in Toronto. Yeah, he stunk in the bubble and his play this year was all over the place and probably more bad/mediocre than good but he is a very good player.

    As we've discussed ad nauseum here, it isn't Siakam's fault that Nurse thinks he's Kawhi Leonard or James Harden. Now part of that is that the team lacks another option and its arsenal is pretty bare offensively, so it's a matter of necessity, but adding some weaponry and letting Siakam play off that will pay dividends.

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  • S.R.
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    Siakam's offence isn't bad though, his 3 pt shooting tailing off was a struggle and some rimmed out closing shots were very visible. But it's hard to overstate how much of an evolution he's gone through offensively the past two years. This is a guy who used to get 2/3 of his FGM made assisted. Now 2/3 are unassisted. He used to be a close-to-the-basket finisher, now he initiates and shoots from all over the floor. His assists are up, his 2P% is up over a year ago. He's done a lot and still done a lot of it well.

    imho they put him in too many tough spots in the name of development though, got to balance the new with the established strengths. That looked a lot better towards the end of the season. That can definitely be better next year.

    And I don't think he's going to be your go-to, game closing scorer 90% of the time like they kept iso'ing him for last year. Need that from someone else, ask Siakam to do it some here and there but not be the primary guy for that. It's hard for a big to do that anytime.

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  • TrueTorontoFan
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    Siakam was so good defensively that even though he was bad offensively they had to play him.

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  • planetmars
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    It also depends on how many games Pascal misses because of his shoulder. If it's a full month then he's likely not getting in.

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  • inthepaint
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    golden wrote: View Post

    Will Pascal be an all-star next season? This is his competition in the front-court:

    Sure-fire Locks: Durant, Giannis, Tatum and Embiid

    Previous all-stars: Butler, Bam, Vucevic, Randle, Middleton, Sabonis, Hayward

    Potential first-time all-stars: Clint Capela, John Collins, Jerami Grant, Tobias Harris







    It'll come down to team record. Top 2-3 seeds usually et 2 all-stars in, top 4-5 usually get 1 in (though the one we get in might be Lowry or Fred)

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  • planetmars
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    golden wrote: View Post

    What about Jimmy Butler? He didn't make it this year either and he had some ridiculously good advanced stats... his best year ever and great raw stats. Like head and shoulders above Pascal. Jerami Grant also had good stats....he's a very similar player to Pascal. I could see Collins getting some recognition now that he's been on the big stage in the playoffs.
    Butler didn't play a lot of games so was basically out of the running. Grant plays for the Pistons.. and they could have one of the worst records in the East again. Collins could definitely get some recognition.. but do they take two Hawks players and no Raptors if they are neck and neck in the standings?

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  • golden
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    planetmars wrote: View Post

    Yeah I think so.. The league likes to have at least one guy be represented from each team.. or more specifically each playoff team. If the Raptors hover around 5-6-7-8 while the votes are tallied, Siakam will get in as I think he'll be the best Raptor next season. At least based on box score raw stats, which the all-star vote getters like to use.

    I think Bam falls short. I don't think Miami will be as good next year and are heading to the lottery.
    What about Jimmy Butler? He didn't make it this year either and he had some ridiculously good advanced stats... his best year ever and great raw stats. Like head and shoulders above Pascal. Jerami Grant also had good stats....he's a very similar player to Pascal. I could see Collins getting some recognition now that he's been on the big stage in the playoffs.

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  • MixxAOR
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    golden wrote: View Post

    Will Pascal be an all-star next season? This is his competition in the front-court:

    Sure-fire Locks: Durant, Giannis, Tatum and Embiid

    Previous all-stars: Butler, Bam, Vucevic, Randle, Middleton, Sabonis, Hayward

    Potential first-time all-stars: Clint Capela, John Collins, Jerami Grant, Tobias Harris







    Nope he won't be an All-Star next season. Suggs will

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  • planetmars
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    Also Vucevic is done playing in the all-star game now that he's on the Bulls. Sabonis will depend on how good Indiana is. Randle might not get in either if the Knicks were a flash in the pan this year (Thibs team usually start sucking in his second year onwards).

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  • planetmars
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    golden wrote: View Post

    Will Pascal be an all-star next season? This is his competition in the front-court:

    Sure-fire Locks: Durant, Giannis, Tatum and Embiid

    Previous all-stars: Butler, Bam, Vucevic, Randle, Middleton, Sabonis, Hayward

    Potential first-time all-stars: Clint Capela, John Collins, Jerami Grant, Tobias Harris







    Yeah I think so.. The league likes to have at least one guy be represented from each team.. or more specifically each playoff team. If the Raptors hover around 5-6-7-8 while the votes are tallied, Siakam will get in as I think he'll be the best Raptor next season. At least based on box score raw stats, which the all-star vote getters like to use.

    I think Bam falls short. I don't think Miami will be as good next year and are heading to the lottery.

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  • golden
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    planetmars wrote: View Post

    I think Siakam has become really under rated. He had a really bad year coming off a terrible bubble experience. But he had some quality games. That Laker game for example where he was on fire. He scored around 35 while also shutting down AD. That's the guy we were excited about last season when he got into the second all-nba team (and that was legitimate). He was a top 15 player that year.. and that was without Kawhi.

    What changed? Well the most drastic thing was covid. He wasn't energized by a home crowd. And he was a kid that played with a lot of energy. Tampa started poorly as well. The worst thing about Pascal last season was how anti clutch he was.. but he was super clutch the season prior. It was just a really bad year.. it's like someone had cursed him.

    I just feel bad about the kid. Yeah he's 27 but he started the game late.. and guys play until their 36-37 now.

    He's not a #1 star.. but there are only a handful of those.

    I don't trade Siakam for a prospect that hasn't panned out yet.. or some future picks. You trade him for another star like we did with DeMar. I'd want to see what he's like back in Toronto again.

    I've said this a lot now.. but go look at his shooting splits in Toronto and then on the road (including the bubble and Tampa). It's night and day. He's like a 40%+ shooter in Toronto.

    I suspect he'll be an all-star next year again.
    Will Pascal be an all-star next season? This is his competition in the front-court:

    Sure-fire Locks: Durant, Giannis, Tatum and Embiid

    Previous all-stars: Butler, Bam, Vucevic, Randle, Middleton, Sabonis, Hayward

    Potential first-time all-stars: Clint Capela, John Collins, Jerami Grant, Tobias Harris








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  • planetmars
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    I will admit that Pascal did seem to take a lot of defensive possessions off this season. Probably because he got winded a lot quicker. But in the playoffs against the Celtics he may have been our best defender.. or just as good as OG was.



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