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  • planetmars
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    golden wrote: View Post

    Will Pascal be an all-star next season? This is his competition in the front-court:

    Sure-fire Locks: Durant, Giannis, Tatum and Embiid

    Previous all-stars: Butler, Bam, Vucevic, Randle, Middleton, Sabonis, Hayward

    Potential first-time all-stars: Clint Capela, John Collins, Jerami Grant, Tobias Harris







    Yeah I think so.. The league likes to have at least one guy be represented from each team.. or more specifically each playoff team. If the Raptors hover around 5-6-7-8 while the votes are tallied, Siakam will get in as I think he'll be the best Raptor next season. At least based on box score raw stats, which the all-star vote getters like to use.

    I think Bam falls short. I don't think Miami will be as good next year and are heading to the lottery.

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  • golden
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    planetmars wrote: View Post

    I think Siakam has become really under rated. He had a really bad year coming off a terrible bubble experience. But he had some quality games. That Laker game for example where he was on fire. He scored around 35 while also shutting down AD. That's the guy we were excited about last season when he got into the second all-nba team (and that was legitimate). He was a top 15 player that year.. and that was without Kawhi.

    What changed? Well the most drastic thing was covid. He wasn't energized by a home crowd. And he was a kid that played with a lot of energy. Tampa started poorly as well. The worst thing about Pascal last season was how anti clutch he was.. but he was super clutch the season prior. It was just a really bad year.. it's like someone had cursed him.

    I just feel bad about the kid. Yeah he's 27 but he started the game late.. and guys play until their 36-37 now.

    He's not a #1 star.. but there are only a handful of those.

    I don't trade Siakam for a prospect that hasn't panned out yet.. or some future picks. You trade him for another star like we did with DeMar. I'd want to see what he's like back in Toronto again.

    I've said this a lot now.. but go look at his shooting splits in Toronto and then on the road (including the bubble and Tampa). It's night and day. He's like a 40%+ shooter in Toronto.

    I suspect he'll be an all-star next year again.
    Will Pascal be an all-star next season? This is his competition in the front-court:

    Sure-fire Locks: Durant, Giannis, Tatum and Embiid

    Previous all-stars: Butler, Bam, Vucevic, Randle, Middleton, Sabonis, Hayward

    Potential first-time all-stars: Clint Capela, John Collins, Jerami Grant, Tobias Harris








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  • planetmars
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    I will admit that Pascal did seem to take a lot of defensive possessions off this season. Probably because he got winded a lot quicker. But in the playoffs against the Celtics he may have been our best defender.. or just as good as OG was.



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  • TrueTorontoFan
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    inthepaint wrote: View Post

    Nice find. Siakam is an outstanding defender. Even throughout his deeper struggles on offence in the bubble that was always there with him.

    That doesn't get talked about much because there's so much attention scrutinizing his offence, but Siakam's defence is pretty outstanding. The combination of length, speed, footwork (some of the instincts he developed early on from soccer), and the timing on individual and team defence he developed under Nurse is quite rare in the league. When we get him and OG on switches (plus Fred pestering down low) is very difficult to create space around them as an opposing ball handler or big.

    The "by the numbers" breakdown on his video shows high impact on very different areas of defence (interior, perimeter, steals, blocked shots, opponent FG% etc..). The last line stood out for me, held Lillard, Westbrook, Tatum and Embiid (two guards, a wing and a Centre) to a combined 12-35 last season (34 FG%).
    Good points, about OG being a pest.

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  • inthepaint
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    TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Post

    him and OG with the right team around them is literally unstoppable:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zERLjPcozLU
    Nice find. Siakam is an outstanding defender. Even throughout his deeper struggles on offence in the bubble that was always there with him.

    That doesn't get talked about much because there's so much attention scrutinizing his offence, but Siakam's defence is pretty outstanding. The combination of length, speed, footwork (some of the instincts he developed early on from soccer), and the timing on individual and team defence he developed under Nurse is quite rare in the league. When we get him and OG on switches (plus Fred pestering down low) is very difficult to create space around them as an opposing ball handler or big.

    The "by the numbers" breakdown on his video shows high impact on very different areas of defence (interior, perimeter, steals, blocked shots, opponent FG% etc..). The last line stood out for me, held Lillard, Westbrook, Tatum and Embiid (two guards, a wing and a Centre) to a combined 12-35 last season (34 FG%).

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  • TrueTorontoFan
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    Puffer wrote: View Post

    Exactly. I think this is closer to who he is going to be this year. He'll have better support on the floor as well.
    him and OG with the right team around them is literally unstoppable:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zERLjPcozLU

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  • Puffer
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    Exactly. I think this is closer to who he is going to be this year. He'll have better support on the floor as well.

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  • TrueTorontoFan
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    planetmars wrote: View Post
    So according to a Blake Murphy article, the media was told he had some shoulder injury on April 18th. He had missed two games (the 16th and 18th, but played again on April 21). He played 10 straight, averaging about 37 mpg before hurting his shoulder again on May 8th against Memphis. That's when we didn't see him again.

    Did we play him when we were trying to tank? Not that it mattered much.. we won only 3 of those 10 games so it didn't help or hurt the tank.. just more so that we played him, while hurt, in a throw away season.

    Failure on McKechnie here? Or maybe the shoulder injury was minor enough at that point that we just let him play through it.

    Either way could have been a costly decision by our front office / training staff in hindsight.

    Hope he recovers okay and can get some reps in before the season starts up again.
    I don't think its a failure on Mckechnie. Shoulders are tricky. You usually can try to let it heal and manage it with different forms of treatment. and then you reevaluate.

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  • TrueTorontoFan
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    Puffer wrote: View Post

    And there is good reason to expect all of the rotation players (and the newer depth pieces) to be getting better now. Even Siakim will be on the court (estimated) by July, working on his game. There is time for his conditioning to be back to peak levels and for him to expand his skill set. All of the young guys, Flynn, Harris, Trent, OG, Watanabee and Boucher as well can reasonably be expected to improve, as can Freddy. Whoever gets drafted at #4 will likely contribute and having a center and a viable backup will help Fred and Spicy operate inside. If Lowry comes back, that won't make the team worse.

    Great Expectations for 2021/2022
    exactly it is too early to make that shift towards a rebuild you gotta play it out one more year.

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  • TrueTorontoFan
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmb4Wr9__NI

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  • Puffer
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    S.R. wrote: View Post
    ...You just don't bail on prime, good players unless you're getting better now...
    And there is good reason to expect all of the rotation players (and the newer depth pieces) to be getting better now. Even Siakim will be on the court (estimated) by July, working on his game. There is time for his conditioning to be back to peak levels and for him to expand his skill set. All of the young guys, Flynn, Harris, Trent, OG, Watanabee and Boucher as well can reasonably be expected to improve, as can Freddy. Whoever gets drafted at #4 will likely contribute and having a center and a viable backup will help Fred and Spicy operate inside. If Lowry comes back, that won't make the team worse.

    Great Expectations for 2021/2022

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  • S.R.
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    GOLDBLUM wrote: View Post

    I feel like there are pretty compelling arguments to be made on both sides.
    Glad it's in the hands of our Raps management.
    I'd love to be a fly on the wall as they weigh this, and other perspective moves like it.

    As one of the posters above mentioned, we have a ton of options. So good to have our level of mobility.
    We could end up going any which way.
    Siakam and Fred are a few years ahead of the other guys, but barring unforeseen opportunities I think they give those guys 1-2 more seasons at minimum before they consider reloading with the younger OG/GTJ/4 guys. You just don't bail on prime, good players unless you're getting better now. It's teams that are stuck on the court or on the cap sheet that unload guys and go young. Raptors aren't there.

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  • GOLDBLUM
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    Primer wrote: View Post

    This is a compelling case to keep Siakam, especially the part about where we need a Kawhi coming back if we trade him, not prospects.

    ​​​Pascal back in Toronto could easily be his best season ever.
    I feel like there are pretty compelling arguments to be made on both sides.
    Glad it's in the hands of our Raps management.
    I'd love to be a fly on the wall as they weigh this, and other perspective moves like it.

    As one of the posters above mentioned, we have a ton of options. So good to have our level of mobility.
    We could end up going any which way.

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  • Primer
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    planetmars wrote: View Post

    I think Siakam has become really under rated. He had a really bad year coming off a terrible bubble experience. But he had some quality games. That Laker game for example where he was on fire. He scored around 35 while also shutting down AD. That's the guy we were excited about last season when he got into the second all-nba team (and that was legitimate). He was a top 15 player that year.. and that was without Kawhi.

    What changed? Well the most drastic thing was covid. He wasn't energized by a home crowd. And he was a kid that played with a lot of energy. Tampa started poorly as well. The worst thing about Pascal last season was how anti clutch he was.. but he was super clutch the season prior. It was just a really bad year.. it's like someone had cursed him.

    I just feel bad about the kid. Yeah he's 27 but he started the game late.. and guys play until their 36-37 now.

    He's not a #1 star.. but there are only a handful of those.

    I don't trade Siakam for a prospect that hasn't panned out yet.. or some future picks. You trade him for another star like we did with DeMar. I'd want to see what he's like back in Toronto again.

    I've said this a lot now.. but go look at his shooting splits in Toronto and then on the road (including the bubble and Tampa). It's night and day. He's like a 40%+ shooter in Toronto.

    I suspect he'll be an all-star next year again.
    This is a compelling case to keep Siakam, especially the part about where we need a Kawhi coming back if we trade him, not prospects.

    ​​​Pascal back in Toronto could easily be his best season ever.

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  • chris
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    strongly in agreement with PM and SR. siakam gave us 40+ minutes a night of excellent two-way play as the second option on a championship team and after one series in the bubble and an up and down year playing in tampa (more up than down i'd argue) and everyone thinks he's trash. players like that don't grow on trees. just because he's not kawhi doesn't mean we should unload for 50c on the dollar.

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