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planetmars wrote: View Post
He did say elite scorer specifically.. and DeMar is an elite scorer.
Below is the link to the list of players who met the criteria for the last 4 playoff seasons. Obviously a much smaller sample size of games, but it's still mostly the guys you expect to be on there:
http://bkref.com/tiny/K8fhi
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golden wrote: View Post
Years ago, I came up with this criteria to determine who is an elite scorer. It goes something like this:
USG > 25%
ORTG > 110
MP/G > 30
Below is a link to the list of the players who met the criteria for the last 4 seasons, from BB-Ref. Sort it by name:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.fcgi?id=gzFyI
Any player on the list twice (like Beal) is a top flight scorer. If you're on the list 4 times, you're the cream of the crop (Steph, Lebron, Harden, Durant). If you're on the list once, you're very, very good.
Pascal has to increase his usage quite a bit to make this list. He's got a chance.
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LJ2 wrote: View Post
The thing is even with an aging Lowry, Gasol and Serge, I'm not expecting Siakam to get the sort of usgke Kawhi and DeMar got. I think we will see a lot more sharing the ball this season because nobody really has an elite level isolation game. I know Siakam is pretty good around the key, but not sure if he can break down a defense consistently from the 3pt line. Definitely not going to draw a second defender like Kawhi.
Sharing the ball only helps if you get the defence moving first, and you need someone to attack to make that happen. That's really what a first option is - the guy you put in position to threaten to score enough that the defence lets other guys score to prevent that. We used to be able to run Lowry-JV PnR as our secondary threat play (behind all the get-the-ball-to-the-star plays). This year, it will be tougher to get high threat plays moving. The Lowry-Serge play tends to get you points but not to move the defence, teams will let Serge have his midrange jumpers. Lowry-Gasol will lead to a lot of jumpers, again a fine outcome, but again not likely a significant source of defensive rotation that will get tertiary guys open looks. Gasol in the post can make the pass if he's doubled but smart teams will let him try to score one on one without bringing help.
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DanH wrote: View Post
Siakam doesn't need to be a 30% usage guy, but if he's not carrying 25% this year something is wrong.
Sharing the ball only helps if you get the defence moving first, and you need someone to attack to make that happen. That's really what a first option is - the guy you put in position to threaten to score enough that the defence lets other guys score to prevent that. We used to be able to run Lowry-JV PnR as our secondary threat play (behind all the get-the-ball-to-the-star plays). This year, it will be tougher to get high threat plays moving. The Lowry-Serge play tends to get you points but not to move the defence, teams will let Serge have his midrange jumpers. Lowry-Gasol will lead to a lot of jumpers, again a fine outcome, but again not likely a significant source of defensive rotation that will get tertiary guys open looks. Gasol in the post can make the pass if he's doubled but smart teams will let him try to score one on one without bringing help.
Speaking of JV, he actually cracked the > 25% USG @ > 110 ORTG club this year, but at much less than 30 MPG. This means that JV does have some potential to be a first option on offense, assuming he can stay on the court for defensive purposes.
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grindhouse wrote: View PostYou guys know gasol has a post game right?
Even when you have an efficient post-up guy like JV you can't just force feed the ball into the post the same way you can spam isolation or pick and roll possessions. It's not a type of basketball that works well in the modern game.
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Puffer wrote: View Post
That clearly should have been a foul. He rode Gasol like a pony on the way up and put the spurs to him on the way down. If that happened to me in a game, the guy gets clocked.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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Puffer wrote: View Post
That clearly should have been a foul. He rode Gasol like a pony on the way up and put the spurs to him on the way down. If that happened to me in a game, the guy gets clocked.
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