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  • G__Deane
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    inthepaint wrote: View Post

    I don't see the big difference here. These duos you mentioned (aside maybe from Shaq/Kobe who are flat-out legends from a different era), are pretty much that: High end talent (i.e. top 5-10 players in the league), joining forces with another top 5-10 player in the league. Bron went to Miami to join wade after not winning in cleveland, Davis joined Bron at Lakers after not winning in NOLA. Durant joined GSW after not winning in OKC. Durant/Irving left their teams on the same year to play together on a different team, etc..

    Out of these guys you mentioned Westbrook, Harden, Davis and Paul George never won a championship, and aside from Davis are all pushing 30 or over it. They're all trying to get together with other stars to see if they can finally do it.

    Siakam on the other hand already won a championship at age 25, while also being part of the second highest scoring duo in playoff history (Siakam/Kawhi), is an incredibly fast, tall, atheltic 2-way wing with a 3pt shot, killer post game, transition game, now quickly developing a midrange game, while also being a great passer, defender and rebounder, and is now on MVP's conversation, always in the top 10, often in the top 5.

    I think he has more than a good chance to attract another top 10 talent in 2021, especially considering he's gonna be 27 and on his prime by then, whereas half these guys you mentioned will have father-time knocking on the door. Granted, most of this "getting together" of superstars happen in LA/NY, so it may not happen here because of that, but that's not on Siakam. I think him and Giannis can be the duo that turns that around and start a dynasty right here. Frigg, they would both be 27 in 2021, if Giannis joined Siakam here there would be championships for years to come
    As many know, Giannis has been my favourite non-Raptor long before he became great (as much for his off-court attitude/refusal to buddy up with the enemy as for his on-court heroics) so I'd love to see it. I just hope Siakam continues to evolves and makes us an obvious choice because this will be a very different team by 2021 as who knows where and what Kyle, Serge and Gasol will be.

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  • G__Deane
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    bertarapsfan wrote: View Post

    Well all those other guys are already teamed up... so how many other superstars does Giannis have to join? Jimmy in Miami is the only other one i can think of as a top end player who doesnt have a star running mate.
    Salary considerations aside (and assuming that he leaves the Bucks), aside from Miami, he could also go to the Nets, Dallas, maybe hook up with Zion or try Nuggets, Utah, hell maybe GSW. He may not look for a single top end player but knock a 1A player into 1B or land where they have a B and C and need a 1A

    Could he make the Pacers a contender with Dipo back or even the Timber puppies?

    Also, a lot of teams would trade salary away to facilitate bringing him in. He makes many many teams an instant contender. I don't think he'll be lacking for options lol

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  • inthepaint
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post
    lebron/Davis, lebron/Wade, Shaq/Kobe, Curry/Durant, Kahhi/Paul George, Westbrook/Harden and soon Durant/Irving aren't just "high end talent joining a top 10 guy" imo

    I love Siakam and he has the chance to be something special. But I feel he's still a ways away from being seen as the type of elite talent that attracts others....just being honest. The hope is turns into that by the time Giannis is making his next move because he seems like the type that doesn't feel the need to lust after LA or New York
    I don't see the big difference here. These duos you mentioned (aside maybe from Shaq/Kobe who are flat-out legends from a different era), are pretty much that: High end talent (i.e. top 5-10 players in the league), joining forces with another top 5-10 player in the league. Bron went to Miami to join wade after not winning in cleveland, Davis joined Bron at Lakers after not winning in NOLA. Durant joined GSW after not winning in OKC. Durant/Irving left their teams on the same year to play together on a different team, etc..

    Out of these guys you mentioned Westbrook, Harden, Davis and Paul George never won a championship, and aside from Davis are all pushing 30 or over it. They're all trying to get together with other stars to see if they can finally do it.

    Siakam on the other hand already won a championship at age 25, while also being part of the second highest scoring duo in playoff history (Siakam/Kawhi), is an incredibly fast, tall, atheltic 2-way wing with a 3pt shot, killer post game, transition game, now quickly developing a midrange game, while also being a great passer, defender and rebounder, and is now on MVP's conversation, always in the top 10, often in the top 5.

    I think he has more than a good chance to attract another top 10 talent in 2021, especially considering he's gonna be 27 and on his prime by then, whereas half these guys you mentioned will have father-time knocking on the door. Granted, most of this "getting together" of superstars happen in LA/NY, so it may not happen here because of that, but that's not on Siakam. I think him and Giannis can be the duo that turns that around and start a dynasty right here. Frigg, they would both be 27 in 2021, if Giannis joined Siakam here there would be championships for years to come

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  • bertarapsfan
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post
    lebron/Davis, lebron/Wade, Shaq/Kobe, Curry/Durant, Kahhi/Paul George, Westbrook/Harden and soon Durant/Irving aren't just "high end talent joining a top 10 guy" imo

    I love Siakam and he has the chance to be something special. But I feel he's still a ways away from being seen as the type of elite talent that attracts others....just being honest. The hope is turns into that by the time Giannis is making his next move because he seems like the type that doesn't feel the need to lust after LA or New York
    Well all those other guys are already teamed up... so how many other superstars does Giannis have to join? Jimmy in Miami is the only other one i can think of as a top end player who doesnt have a star running mate.

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  • G__Deane
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    lebron/Davis, lebron/Wade, Shaq/Kobe, Curry/Durant, Kahhi/Paul George, Westbrook/Harden and soon Durant/Irving aren't just "high end talent joining a top 10 guy" imo

    I love Siakam and he has the chance to be something special. But I feel he's still a ways away from being seen as the type of elite talent that attracts others....just being honest. The hope is turns into that by the time Giannis is making his next move because he seems like the type that doesn't feel the need to lust after LA or New York

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  • inthepaint
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    golden wrote: View Post

    Actually, our "abundance of depth" turned out to be fool's gold in the playoffs last year. We basically ended up with 5 starters + Serge at one point in the Philly series. Same thing with the Bucks, when we played Mirotic, Ilyasova and Bledsoe right off the floor. Depth is a nice luxury to help you get through the season unscathed and for trades.

    But back to Pascal.... the massive win here is that he's already being perceived by the mainstream media as being a top 10 player - barely 1 month into the season. That's huuuuge, when it comes to recruiting other elite players to play with you. That's what all these NBA superstar free agents are looking for. And by 2021 he's going to be entering his prime.
    Oh for sure, by "abundant depth" I mean solid rotation players that can get you through the regular season by mitigating team injuries, helping to keep the team afloat and to attain higher playoff seeds. In the post-season itself every team/rotation will shrink to a smaller core of 3 or 4 players that will actually carry you (or if you're a bit deeper like we were last year, maybe 5 or 6). However, If you don't have a solid "regular season depth", and have just the superstar plus no-one, you run the risk of sputtering really early in the playoffs, or sometimes not even making it (like last year's Lakers of solo Lebron, Davis's NOLA, or Westbrook's OKC).

    As for Siakam, you bring a good/underrated point: In today's NBA, having a top 10 guy already in your roster (homegrown no less), is massive in terms of your ability to attract another high end free agent to play here

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  • golden
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    inthepaint wrote: View Post

    Yeah that is pretty cool. Starting to hear more and more Siakam's name in different places when they talk about MVPs and stuff. If you really need a top 7ish player in the league plus a solid supporting team to contend, with a quarter of the season played, it looks like we got that.

    Siakam is visibly growing by the month. Growth is never linear and there will always be duds like yesterday, precisely because not only he's the No.1 on opposing scouting reports, but his own coaches put him on increasingly challenging situations to stimulate his growth even further. The reality is though his game has been exploding in many different ways.

    As a team, the sense that I get now is similar to what I felt at the beginning of last year: It sounds crazy to think that there is such a thing as "too much depth", but sometimes that's the feeling.

    Last year Nick dealt with this "abundance of depth" by experimenting a lot, which rubbed a lot of people the wrong way (including me), but in the end it worked. This year, there's less experimenting, but the challenges in incorporating 12 players that can all play impactful minutes in single rotation remains. Good problems to have
    Actually, our "abundance of depth" turned out to be fool's gold in the playoffs last year. We basically ended up with 5 starters + Serge at one point in the Philly series. Same thing with the Bucks, when we played Mirotic, Ilyasova and Bledsoe right off the floor. Depth is a nice luxury to help you get through the season unscathed and for trades.

    But back to Pascal.... the massive win here is that he's already being perceived by the mainstream media as being a top 10 player - barely 1 month into the season. That's huuuuge, when it comes to recruiting other elite players to play with you. That's what all these NBA superstar free agents are looking for. And by 2021 he's going to be entering his prime.

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  • JawsGT
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    golden wrote: View Post
    There will be nights like last night, but this is pretty cool....

    Thats my five as well, although I'd put luka ahead of lebron.

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  • inthepaint
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    golden wrote: View Post
    There will be nights like last night, but this is pretty cool....

    Yeah that is pretty cool. Starting to hear more and more Siakam's name in different places when they talk about MVPs and stuff. If you really need a top 7ish player in the league plus a solid supporting team to contend, with a quarter of the season played, it looks like we got that.

    Siakam is visibly growing by the month. Growth is never linear and there will always be duds like yesterday, precisely because not only he's the No.1 on opposing scouting reports, but his own coaches put him on increasingly challenging situations to stimulate his growth even further. The reality is though his game has been exploding in many different ways.

    As a team, the sense that I get now is similar to what I felt at the beginning of last year: It sounds crazy to think that there is such a thing as "too much depth", but sometimes that's the feeling.

    Last year Nick dealt with this "abundance of depth" by experimenting a lot, which rubbed a lot of people the wrong way (including me), but in the end it worked. This year, there's less experimenting, but the challenges in incorporating 12 players that can all play impactful minutes in single rotation remains. Good problems to have

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  • RandomGuy
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    Growing pains, Siakam is going "to be good, man". He needs to be in those situations in the first place, now he is. The next step, develop moves to counter them. Knowing his development progress, that's a matter of how soon.

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  • KeonClark
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    golden wrote: View Post
    There will be nights like last night, but this is pretty cool....

    Wow, a list with 4 generational players












    and James harden

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  • golden
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    There will be nights like last night, but this is pretty cool....

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  • S.R.
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    Jclaw wrote: View Post
    just listened to the Simmons podcast where they we're ranking their top ten. Not much doubt about the top six (in no particular order, Doncic, Kawhi, Lebron, Giannis, Davis and Harden). I kind of expected him to go with one of his Celtics to round out the top ten but both him and his guest agreed on Siakam as number 7. It's crazy what he has become and that there was ever some debate (if there was) about giving him the max. They brought up another interesting point when they talked about him and MIP....shouldn't we be talking about VanVleet for MIP?
    Yes on all accounts.

    FVV should be in the MIP, though I'd doubt he'd win. His raw per game numbers are seeing big jumps but a lot of that is due to a massive spike in his role/usage jumping into the starting lineup and now with Lowry out for weeks. Some of that will level out a bit when Lowry's back for the remainder of the season.

    But just raw numbers aside, the fact that Fred's been asked not just to step into the starting lineup as a complimentary player but now to step in for 5x All-Star Kyle Lowry - Fred's been amazing. That's a huge leap in role and he's been great. I'm not sure why we're not more hyped about him, he seems to draw skeptics and fans in equal measure even after everything he's done on-court.

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  • Jclaw
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    just listened to the Simmons podcast where they we're ranking their top ten. Not much doubt about the top six (in no particular order, Doncic, Kawhi, Lebron, Giannis, Davis and Harden). I kind of expected him to go with one of his Celtics to round out the top ten but both him and his guest agreed on Siakam as number 7. It's crazy what he has become and that there was ever some debate (if there was) about giving him the max. They brought up another interesting point when they talked about him and MIP....shouldn't we be talking about VanVleet for MIP?

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  • Puffer
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    SkywalkerAC wrote: View Post
    Pascal deserves his own thread as well. For a 27th pick, it's incredible that we can basically pencil him in for significant production with the 2nd unit this year. He's one of the best open court rim runners in the league, has a motor that won't quit, and comes across as a first class teammate/young man. The big question is whether he can be an impact defender in just his 2nd season.

    He doesn't get enough talk.

    Maybe we have a large enough sample size we can revisit this again?

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