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Scraptor wrote: View Post
I think you could amend Nilanka's statement to say the league has never seen this sort of year-by-year improvement by a player who entered the league as old as Pascal was. That was a big part of the skepticism about his ceiling (at least for me). I think the big takeaway is that the age-ceiling relationship can be set aside when the player begins playing seriously as late as Pascal did, because there's just more runway for growth despite the comparatively advanced age.
And that is taking nothing away from Pascal's incredible work ethic. Full credit to him because without the work, the untapped potential means nothing.
Then he dies in a car accident, while Pascal is just red shirting at New Mexico, never sees him improve there, or get drafted, or earn minutes, or get MIP, or win title, or become alpha of a winning team. This would be beyond his dads wildest imaginations at the time of his death. It's quite the story, and most of us here have heard it, but I'm sure the ESPNs and the like will get around to telling it to the American viewers sometime this year9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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He's not far off from MVP. It's really that ridiculous. 5 games in so huge whopping grain of salt, but if the Raps exceed expectations (remember some media guys had them out of the playoffs) than why not?. If a 28/9/4 guy helps lead a team to the best or second best record in the conference, out of nowhere, people will notice.
And most "MVP" caliber players in the league right now have a second guy on the team that can take some of their votes away. Harden now has Russ. AD has Lebron (and vice versa). Kawhi has PG (and vise versa). Giannis doesn't have anyone but he just won it, and most media guys don't like giving out back to back MVP's, unless it's too obvious. KD is not playing. Curry is hurt now.
I'm not placing any bets that he'll get it, but he might.. and it will be an amazing story if he does or is even in the running by season's end.
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planetmars wrote: View PostHe's not far off from MVP. It's really that ridiculous. 5 games in so huge whopping grain of salt, but if the Raps exceed expectations (remember some media guys had them out of the playoffs) than why not?. If a 28/9/4 guy helps lead a team to the best or second best record in the conference, out of nowhere, people will notice.
And most "MVP" caliber players in the league right now have a second guy on the team that can take some of their votes away. Harden now has Russ. AD has Lebron (and vice versa). Kawhi has PG (and vise versa). Giannis doesn't have anyone but he just won it, and most media guys don't like giving out back to back MVP's, unless it's too obvious. KD is not playing. Curry is hurt now.
I'm not placing any bets that he'll get it, but he might.. and it will be an amazing story if he does or is even in the running by season's end."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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slaw wrote: View Post
This is a great point and you see the flip side of it with a Stanley Johnson, for example, who entered the league with a great pedigree (opposite of Pascal) and hasn't improved much since. Player acquisition and development has a lot of art to it as well as science.
The Raps development system is proven, but I worry about the effect of losing Jerry Stackhouse from the 905. He's the guy who coached Powell, Jakob, FVV, Delon, Pascal, McKinnie, Bruno & Bebe. That's 8 guys coached by Stackhouse in the G-league, who made NBA rotations.
We haven't had any 905'ers crack the rotation since Stackhouse left and yet there's more opportunity available now. Jordan (Random Guy) Loyd & Lorenzo Brown washed out of the league altogether. Miller & Boucher are on the bubble.
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golden wrote: View PostJust putting it out there....
https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/mvp.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com....fcgi?id=MIiEE
to me it says a lot about Westbrook that hes this supposed MVP top 10 guy , and so far it looks like this is the worst version of the rockets harden has had. Hes better off with four 3&d roll players on the floor with him.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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golden wrote: View Post
Yeah, I'd tend to agree with this.... it's called "sensitivity to initial conditions". Perhaps it's also why DeRozan (a shooting guard), still can't shoot 3's, even though he's now in the Spurs vaunted system. In his NBA formative years, DeMar was encouraged by Casey to dribble a lot, take contested 2's and draw fouls to be efficient. That was good enough to grind out regular season wins, but we all know what happened after that. Pascal is still a blank canvas, developing those good initial habits that are more suited to the modern game.
The Raps development system is proven, but I worry about the effect of losing Jerry Stackhouse from the 905. He's the guy who coached Powell, Jakob, FVV, Delon, Pascal, McKinnie, Bruno & Bebe. That's 8 guys coached by Stackhouse in the G-league, who made NBA rotations.
We haven't had any 905'ers crack the rotation since Stackhouse left and yet there's more opportunity available now. Jordan (Random Guy) Loyd & Lorenzo Brown washed out of the league altogether. Miller & Boucher are on the bubble.Only one thing matters: We The Champs.
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KeonClark wrote: View Post
Pretty dumb seeing harden and Russ so high. As predicted, it's not meshing very well. Yeah yeah weve seen your acts before. Harden will get 30 40 50 60 pts. Westbrook will get his triple double. But they're .500 and every single game had been scratch and claw to the end.
to me it says a lot about Westbrook that hes this supposed MVP top 10 guy , and so far it looks like this is the worst version of the rockets harden has had. Hes better off with four 3&d roll players on the floor with him.
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jacobdr4 wrote: View Post
You were on Reddit, did you say hi to our boy Shaolin?
I cringed typing that like a trump honk, but I feel its appropriate in this case9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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KeonClark wrote: View Post
That's good hes over there. Reddit is a safe place for all the snowflakes to get outraged together.
I cringed typing that like a trump honk, but I feel its appropriate in this case
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DogeLover1234 wrote: View Post
Not sure about the Raptors specific site, but it seems like 3/4 of NBA reddit is people who dont watch games but regurgitate information from popular writers and posters. Pretty cringy too.
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Maury wrote: View Post
Everyone who posts on Reddit appropriates the "Redditor" voice. They all sound the same, they all make the same points, if they find something they disagree with they will respond the exact same way, everytime. It's interesting.
Also the Raptors specific reddit all seems to be people who have only been watching raptors the last 4 years and give analysis like there leo rautins. We got some real raps historians here at RR.Last edited by bertarapsfan; Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:56 PM.To be the champs you got to beat the champs
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