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  • DanH
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    The Claw Reborn wrote: View Post

    I would probably see the actual medical records which is not possible because of HIPAA vs. reading some personal opinions that may just be false information.

    So enough of the speculation, would you agree?
    Yeah, that was my whole point.

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  • The Claw Reborn
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    Sometimes it is preferable to avoid surgery if possible and allow an injury to just heal. Sometimes playing with that injury can aggravate it, sometimes it can't. For all we know, they just needed time to evaluate whether the injury would get better on its own, it didn't, then they shut him down, and it still didn't, and that is the point when doctors will suggest surgery. We do know that once they did decide on surgery there was a wait for the top doctor to have an opening. Better to get it done right a few weeks later at that point.

    It's also possible they just had no idea what they were doing and fucked him up. But I don't think there's much actual reason to believe that is the case.
    I would probably see the actual medical records which is not possible because of HIPAA vs. reading some personal opinions that may just be false information.

    So enough of the speculation, would you agree?

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  • DanH
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    Sometimes it is preferable to avoid surgery if possible and allow an injury to just heal. Sometimes playing with that injury can aggravate it, sometimes it can't. For all we know, they just needed time to evaluate whether the injury would get better on its own, it didn't, then they shut him down, and it still didn't, and that is the point when doctors will suggest surgery. We do know that once they did decide on surgery there was a wait for the top doctor to have an opening. Better to get it done right a few weeks later at that point.

    It's also possible they just had no idea what they were doing and fucked him up. But I don't think there's much actual reason to believe that is the case.

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  • golden
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    slaw wrote: View Post
    The Raps have access to top-notch surgeons and doctors who specialize in sports injuries, etc. Alex McKechnie doesn't look at a MRI in a dark room and decide the fate of a player - they have specialists with years/decades of experience and hyper-specialized knowledge and equipment to assist in making these decisions. Are they infallible? Of course not, but unless people have Pascal's medical records and knowledge of the decision-making involved, they should comment with caution.

    Some of this is almost as stupid as that time on here when posters were adamant that Dwane Casey decided when and how much injured players were going to play.
    That was my whole point when people were talking about Thibs running his players into the ground and gloating about how our team takes care of their players: the medical staff tells the coaching staff if/when the player is ready to play that night and/or if he is on a minutes restriction.

    When Thibs, Nurse or Casey plays his main guys heavy minutes (which they all do), it's because they received the green light from the medical staff. People were trying to make it out that Thibs and Casey were calling the shots. That said, I predicted Pascal was going to get injured weeks before it happened because of the heavy minutes load he was getting, and especially coming back from Covid.

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  • slaw
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    The Raps have access to top-notch surgeons and doctors who specialize in sports injuries, etc. Alex McKechnie doesn't look at a MRI in a dark room and decide the fate of a player - they have specialists with years/decades of experience and hyper-specialized knowledge and equipment to assist in making these decisions. Are they infallible? Of course not, but unless people have Pascal's medical records and knowledge of the decision-making involved, they should comment with caution.

    Some of this is almost as stupid as that time on here when posters were adamant that Dwane Casey decided when and how much injured players were going to play.

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  • planetmars
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    golden wrote: View Post

    If the original injury occurred on April 18th, then it's almost certainly a mis-diagnosis. My guess is the injury probably seemed like a shoulder strain at first that they thought he could play through. But the way Nurse plays his main guys heavy minutes, it probably made the injury worse.
    I don't know. It's a fail somewhere. We lose at least 3 weeks and all training camp because someone wasn't over cautious. And again it was a lost year.. he didn't have to play. Fans would have been okay with him taking the rest of April/May off. But it was probably one of those injuries where it was so minor that they were okay with it.. guys play with aches and pains all the time. But he got hit hard in May on that same shoulder and that was it for him.

    McKechnie is usually really cautious. Did he drop the ball? Maybe he isn't perfect after all.



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  • golden
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    planetmars wrote: View Post
    So according to a Blake Murphy article, the media was told he had some shoulder injury on April 18th. He had missed two games (the 16th and 18th, but played again on April 21). He played 10 straight, averaging about 37 mpg before hurting his shoulder again on May 8th against Memphis. That's when we didn't see him again.

    Did we play him when we were trying to tank? Not that it mattered much.. we won only 3 of those 10 games so it didn't help or hurt the tank.. just more so that we played him, while hurt, in a throw away season.

    Failure on McKechnie here? Or maybe the shoulder injury was minor enough at that point that we just let him play through it.

    Either way could have been a costly decision by our front office / training staff in hindsight.

    Hope he recovers okay and can get some reps in before the season starts up again.
    If the original injury occurred on April 18th, then it's almost certainly a mis-diagnosis. My guess is the injury probably seemed like a shoulder strain at first that they thought he could play through. But the way Nurse plays his main guys heavy minutes, it probably made the injury worse.

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  • Primer
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    I thought they had to wait for the best surgeon to have an opening?

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  • G__Deane
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    Dr Hannibal Lecter wrote: View Post
    I honestly don't understand why Siakim didn't get this surgery during the season when they sat him out..no one was playing, wtf is going on.
    I'm baffled and confused.
    They were hoping to rehab him without surgery, it wasn't mandatory

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  • Dr Hannibal Lecter
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    I honestly don't understand why Siakim didn't get this surgery during the season when they sat him out..no one was playing, wtf is going on.
    I'm baffled and confused.

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  • iblastoff
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    im guessing another issue is not being to re-evaluate pascal at 'full strength' again. im assuming this team will be back in toronto but now he's coming off of injury/surgery (despite it not being 'serious' but sidelined for 5 months with no contact is pretty significant).

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  • golden
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    A.I wrote: View Post

    Considering the team rested everyone else with minor injuries, I doubt Pascal got treated differently. It was probably along the lines of it was extremely minor, he sat a bunch of games due to covid already, so he played through it, re-injured the same spot against the Grizzlies and then they took him out for good.
    Nah. Everybody got rest except Pascal. It was weird, which I pointed out a few times. At one point, we played him 40+ minutes on a back to back on the road....in meaningless games... that we were trying to lose. Same with bringing FVV back from injury too soon. The whole strategy was whack.

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  • A.I
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    planetmars wrote: View Post
    So according to a Blake Murphy article, the media was told he had some shoulder injury on April 18th. He had missed two games (the 16th and 18th, but played again on April 21). He played 10 straight, averaging about 37 mpg before hurting his shoulder again on May 8th against Memphis. That's when we didn't see him again.

    Did we play him when we were trying to tank? Not that it mattered much.. we won only 3 of those 10 games so it didn't help or hurt the tank.. just more so that we played him, while hurt, in a throw away season.

    Failure on McKechnie here? Or maybe the shoulder injury was minor enough at that point that we just let him play through it.

    Either way could have been a costly decision by our front office / training staff in hindsight.

    Hope he recovers okay and can get some reps in before the season starts up again.
    Considering the team rested everyone else with minor injuries, I doubt Pascal got treated differently. It was probably along the lines of it was extremely minor, he sat a bunch of games due to covid already, so he played through it, re-injured the same spot against the Grizzlies and then they took him out for good.

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  • planetmars
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    So according to a Blake Murphy article, the media was told he had some shoulder injury on April 18th. He had missed two games (the 16th and 18th, but played again on April 21). He played 10 straight, averaging about 37 mpg before hurting his shoulder again on May 8th against Memphis. That's when we didn't see him again.

    Did we play him when we were trying to tank? Not that it mattered much.. we won only 3 of those 10 games so it didn't help or hurt the tank.. just more so that we played him, while hurt, in a throw away season.

    Failure on McKechnie here? Or maybe the shoulder injury was minor enough at that point that we just let him play through it.

    Either way could have been a costly decision by our front office / training staff in hindsight.

    Hope he recovers okay and can get some reps in before the season starts up again.

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  • SkywalkerAC
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post
    Bad news about Siakam, but I read he can start on court rehab in a month which isn't bad. Raps really need to get more depth behind him though.
    Barnes (cough)

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