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  • #46
    Uncle_Si wrote: View Post
    I think it’s fine and good that the Raptors plan on chucking a bunch of threes, but they really don’t have the personnel for it.

    Outside of Lowry, Miles and I guess Ibaka, who is really considered that big of a threat from deep?

    We’re essentially counting on a pile of guys that have no history of being good shooters to suddenly shoot at a 35% clip.

    Masai needs to find shooters, otherwise we’re just chucking bricks and giving up fast breaks.
    The vast majority of the three point attempts (while we've had any real rotation lineups on the floor) have come from those three guys. I'm not worried.
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    • #47
      DanH wrote: View Post
      The vast majority of the three point attempts (while we've had any real rotation lineups on the floor) have come from those three guys. I'm not worried.
      I'm absolutely worried, because when 2/3 of those guys are off, there is literally no one else to step in and make up the difference.
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      • #48
        Uncle_Si wrote: View Post
        I'm absolutely worried, because when 2/3 of those guys are off, there is literally no one else to step in and make up the difference.
        So none of our less proven shooters can get hot for one game? We have no other method of scoring that's not hitting threes, as demonstrated for like a half decade now?
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        • #49
          I think when it's all said and done raps will be a respectful 3 point shooting team. Deebo is the only player that will be playing 25+ minutes a night that cant shoot the 3. He will be creating a lot of the open looks for the others.

          The other guys(Miles/Lowry/Powell/Ibaka) playing 25+ a night will all shoot better than 35 percent IMO.

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          • #50
            Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
            I think when it's all said and done raps will be a respectful 3 point shooting team. Deebo is the only player that will be playing 25+ minutes a night that cant shoot the 3. He will be creating a lot of the open looks for the others.

            The other guys(Miles/Lowry/Powell/Ibaka) playing 25+ a night will all shoot better than 35 percent IMO.

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            You don't think JV hits 25 a night? I imagine he'll average the same ~26-ish he has his entire career.

            I agree that there's no concern with the shooting - not only are those the big minutes guys, but they should be heavier usage guys than the young options as well, so a lot of our three point shooting will come from those established options.
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            • #51
              Come on Dan, you know Chr1s1anL can get a little fluid with his numbers.
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              • #52
                Mess wrote: View Post
                Come on Dan, you know Chr1s1anL can get a little fluid with his numbers.
                He may actually feel JV will dip in minutes - I can see the argument. I don't think he will, but it's a possibility.
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                • #53
                  DanH wrote: View Post
                  You don't think JV hits 25 a night? I imagine he'll average the same ~26-ish he has his entire career.

                  I agree that there's no concern with the shooting - not only are those the big minutes guys, but they should be heavier usage guys than the young options as well, so a lot of our three point shooting will come from those established options.
                  Yak one year better and Ibaka taking C minutes. Is why I think JV will be under 25 mins.

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                  • #54
                    Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
                    Yak one year better and Ibaka taking C minutes. Is why I think JV will be under 25 mins.

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                    And that's fair. I certainly hope you are wrong (Ibaka should play very, very limited minutes there IMO, and Poeltl should get a restricted bench role to grow into himself), but it wouldn't exactly be the end of the world if JV ended up closer to 24 MPG than 28.
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                    • #55
                      DanH wrote: View Post
                      And that's fair. I certainly hope you are wrong (Ibaka should play very, very limited minutes there IMO, and Poeltl should get a restricted bench role to grow into himself), but it wouldn't exactly be the end of the world if JV ended up closer to 24 MPG than 28.
                      I'm certainly as big a supporter as anybody is of JV remaining in the starting lineup and being fully utilized. I'm wondering though, should the news that Kevin Love will be playing center with TT coming off the bench change our thinking about that at all? If our two biggest competitors in BOS and CLE are rolling with small ball centers, Love/Horford, are we gonna get left in the same position we usually do in the playoffs, scrambling to make adjustments to match opponents, moves that could've been implemented during the regular season? I mean I'm really not convinced that we have the wing players at the 3-4 spots to even make the shift for Ibaka to better match Love and Hereford make sense for what we'd lose elsewhere. Just curious if our competition's composition should be changing our thinking about that at all? Thoughts?

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                      • #56
                        We have too many centers.. would have been nice if Masai could have found a taker for Bebe and gotten back a future 2nd or something. I think Bebe will eat into Poeltl's minutes. Nice to have insurance I guess if JV goes down but if Ibaka plans to play some C perhaps that insurance isn't really needed.

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                        • #57
                          planetmars wrote: View Post
                          We have too many centers.. would have been nice if Masai could have found a taker for Bebe and gotten back a future 2nd or something. I think Bebe will eat into Poeltl's minutes. Nice to have insurance I guess if JV goes down but if Ibaka plans to play some C perhaps that insurance isn't really needed.
                          BeBe's ability to play both front court positions in a crunch is useful depth. But he shouldn't get any regular minutes barring injury.

                          BeBe will likely walk at the end of the year, unless they can get him back cheap (and move JV).
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                          • #58
                            GOLDBLUM wrote: View Post
                            I'm certainly as big a supporter as anybody is of JV remaining in the starting lineup and being fully utilized. I'm wondering though, should the news that Kevin Love will be playing center with TT coming off the bench change our thinking about that at all? If our two biggest competitors in BOS and CLE are rolling with small ball centers, Love/Horford, are we gonna get left in the same position we usually do in the playoffs, scrambling to make adjustments to match opponents, moves that could've been implemented during the regular season? I mean I'm really not convinced that we have the wing players at the 3-4 spots to even make the shift for Ibaka to better match Love and Hereford make sense for what we'd lose elsewhere. Just curious if our competition's composition should be changing our thinking about that at all? Thoughts?
                            This is an excellent point.

                            The best reason to keep JV in the starting lineup would be to say, 'Fine, BOS and CLE are going small, we're going to go big and punish them down low'. However, experience shows us that they literally (LITERALLY) NEVER make an effort to exploit JV mismatches in the post. So if they won't do this, if makes sense to give the team a whole season of reps with Ibaka at the C and JV as a super sub.

                            But it won't happen. Casey just doesn't innovate like that.

                            My prediction:

                            - JV starts the entire season.

                            - At some point in the playoffs, the Raps run into CLE or BOS.

                            - JV playing with the starters is immediately an obvious hindrance (for reason above).

                            - Raps go down 0-2.

                            - With the series basically over, JV gets moved to the bench, and a new starting lineup gets to figure out how to play together at the dumbest possible time.

                            Book it.
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                            • #59
                              DanH wrote: View Post
                              You don't think JV hits 25 a night? I imagine he'll average the same ~26-ish he has his entire career.

                              I agree that there's no concern with the shooting - not only are those the big minutes guys, but they should be heavier usage guys than the young options as well, so a lot of our three point shooting will come from those established options.
                              nah man obviously JV will be shooting 5 3s per game at 35%.

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                              • #60
                                GOLDBLUM wrote: View Post
                                I'm certainly as big a supporter as anybody is of JV remaining in the starting lineup and being fully utilized. I'm wondering though, should the news that Kevin Love will be playing center with TT coming off the bench change our thinking about that at all? If our two biggest competitors in BOS and CLE are rolling with small ball centers, Love/Horford, are we gonna get left in the same position we usually do in the playoffs, scrambling to make adjustments to match opponents, moves that could've been implemented during the regular season? I mean I'm really not convinced that we have the wing players at the 3-4 spots to even make the shift for Ibaka to better match Love and Hereford make sense for what we'd lose elsewhere. Just curious if our competition's composition should be changing our thinking about that at all? Thoughts?
                                Meh. JV posted a +6 net rating against BOS last year, so the small ball C thing isn't exactly killing us there. Heck, that includes the usual garbage starting lineup screwing stuff up - JV beside Pat had a +11 net rating against BOS, JV beside Ibaka in the starting lineup had a +10 net rating against BOS.

                                Playoff matchup decisions with the Cavs will be interesting. But I don't think playing to your strengths rather than your opponents' is a bad idea. I mean, Ibaka at C last year against the Cavs in the playoffs got absolutely mauled (98 ORTG, 131 DRTG in 68 minutes), so it's not like it's some guarantee of success against small ball looks.

                                I also think most of our post-season scrambling has nothing to do with matchups, but with strategy (and simply starting players who shouldn't be in a playoff rotation). Scola wasn't a matchup thing, he just sucked. Powell starting was a strategy counter, to stop the traps. JV coming off the bench you could argue was a matchup issue, but not a "get him away from this matchup" scenario, so much as a "get Ibaka away from Monroe" one.
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