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  • Puffer
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    slaw wrote: View Post
    ...Unlike many of the posters here, current management in Toronto doesn't give up on players overnight.
    That is sooooo old school. Today we insist everyone shoot threes and we give up on them quickly 'cause churning wins championships.

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  • GLF
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    slaw wrote: View Post
    I'm trying to figure out how it's a bad thing. Ross was inconsistent for the Raps but he played a lot of good games along with the bad and was a key rotation piece during Toronto's upswing. He peaked and got traded for a good player. He was still a solid role player here.

    Powell will be fine. He defends and he works hard. They'll figure out where exactly he fits as the season goes along. Unlike many of the posters here, current management in Toronto doesn't give up on players overnight.
    And thank the Lord for that

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  • slaw
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    planetmars wrote: View Post
    Wouldn't a TRoss situation end up being a good thing?
    I'm trying to figure out how it's a bad thing. Ross was inconsistent for the Raps but he played a lot of good games along with the bad and was a key rotation piece during Toronto's upswing. He peaked and got traded for a good player. He was still a solid role player here.

    Powell will be fine. He defends and he works hard. They'll figure out where exactly he fits as the season goes along. Unlike many of the posters here, current management in Toronto doesn't give up on players overnight.

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  • DanH
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
    Does he? Based on what? Very worried this is another TRoss situation.
    Ross who was the centrepiece of a deal with a late 1st for our current starting PF? Yeah, that's the idea.

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  • planetmars
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
    Does he? Based on what? Very worried this is another TRoss situation.
    Wouldn't a TRoss situation end up being a good thing?

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  • Shaolin Fantastic
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    Meh, he's getting basically exactly what CJ Miles got. Norm's got serious upside beyond CJ Miles, and teams know that even if he struggles here this year.

    I seriously doubt it's a lack of fire in his play. If anything, he's playing too hard and not smart enough.
    Does he? Based on what? Very worried this is another TRoss situation.

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  • DanH
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
    His value is going to be next to zero if he doesn't improve on how he's playing.

    I think you're overrating how he'd be perceived around the league in a trade. On his rookie deal this year he would've been looked at as a young player a team could take a flyer on and see what his potential is before paying him. Now he's already been paid about 6th man money, so he needs to be able to produce like one or his value will be low. He's 25 in the spring, he's not 21 or 22 where he still has a ton of room to grow.

    Plus I think the fact that he has been paid is affecting his play somewhat. He's not a scrappy 2nd round pick fighting for a place in the league anymore, he's now a guy who's secured his spot so I'm sure some of that fire is gone.
    Meh, he's getting basically exactly what CJ Miles got. Norm's got serious upside beyond CJ Miles, and teams know that even if he struggles here this year.

    I seriously doubt it's a lack of fire in his play. If anything, he's playing too hard and not smart enough.

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  • LJ2
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    Nilanka wrote: View Post
    I dunno, it seems like he's forcing up shots like he's Jamaal Crawford reincarnated. He's either doing it himself, or Casey has added "bench scorer" to Norm's role card.
    Would make sense they want to expand his role after investing in him, but Norm forcing up bad shots seems more like he's trying too hard to fit into the offence. I doubt any coach says to shoot those shots.

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  • Shaolin Fantastic
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    Nah, even with his struggles he's one of the few value trade pieces the Raps will have this summer.
    His value is going to be next to zero if he doesn't improve on how he's playing.

    I think you're overrating how he'd be perceived around the league in a trade. On his rookie deal this year he would've been looked at as a young player a team could take a flyer on and see what his potential is before paying him. Now he's already been paid about 6th man money, so he needs to be able to produce like one or his value will be low. He's 25 in the spring, he's not 21 or 22 where he still has a ton of room to grow.

    Plus I think the fact that he has been paid is affecting his play somewhat. He's not a scrappy 2nd round pick fighting for a place in the league anymore, he's now a guy who's secured his spot so I'm sure some of that fire is gone.

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  • Nilanka
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    S.R. wrote: View Post
    Norm will be fine, he's a good basketball player.
    Lol, I expect more for you, SR. This is Leo-esque analysis

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  • S.R.
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    Norm will be fine, he's a good basketball player.

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  • DanH
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
    Really shouldn't have given him an extension.
    Nah, even with his struggles he's one of the few value trade pieces the Raps will have this summer.

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  • Shaolin Fantastic
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    Really shouldn't have given him an extension.

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  • Nilanka
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post
    I'm pretty sure that has always been Norm's role though. Even as a starter they weren't going to ask him to do more than that. Some players play better in an iso system when the attention is heavily on the star players. I'm thinking Norm might be one of those players. Good new is there is plenty of season left to adjust. Bad news is OG doesn't look like he's going to give up the starters role any time soon.
    I dunno, it seems like he's forcing up shots like he's Jamaal Crawford reincarnated. He's either doing it himself, or Casey has added "bench scorer" to Norm's role card.

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  • DanH
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    LJ2 wrote: View Post
    I'm pretty sure that has always been Norm's role though. Even as a starter they weren't going to ask him to do more than that. Some players play better in an iso system when the attention is heavily on the star players. I'm thinking Norm might be one of those players. Good new is there is plenty of season left to adjust. Bad news is OG doesn't look like he's going to give up the starters role any time soon.
    They've been running a lot of primary action through Norm in those bench units, and he's struggled with that (as he always has). Doesn't explain his malaise with the starters, but he's definitely not getting that 3+D role card right now.

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