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  • Maury
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
    That's why I mentioned Poeltl specifically. He can hang in there defensively because he's mobile but also prevents the same advantages on the offensive glass that JV does.
    The biggest problem with Yak is he gets called for brutal fouls and sometimes he struggles on the defensive boards. He has improved a lot this year as a help defender though.

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  • Shaolin Fantastic
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    golden wrote: View Post
    In general, just getting physical with GS seems to be our best chance... Kerr mentioned it. JV had some great possessions against Draymond, exploiting the size/strength advantage as well as getting rebounds, which was a big part of the 3rd quarter comeback. Yak also played great, so we're one of the few teams that could keep our 7-footers on the floor when the Warriors go to their death lineup.
    That's why I mentioned Poeltl specifically. He can hang in there defensively because he's mobile but also prevents the same advantages on the offensive glass that JV does.

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  • golden
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
    Poeltl at C is the answer against GS.
    In general, just getting physical with GS seems to be our best chance... Kerr mentioned it. JV had some great possessions against Draymond, exploiting the size/strength advantage as well as getting rebounds, which was a big part of the 3rd quarter comeback. Yak also played great, so we're one of the few teams that could keep our 7-footers on the floor when the Warriors go to their death lineup.

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  • Shaolin Fantastic
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    Poeltl at C is the answer against GS.

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  • DanH
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    3inthekeon wrote: View Post
    Does this game really prove anything? JV was very good and his numbers would have looked even better if he didn't miss a few shots he almost always makes. Poeltl matched with West, who looked about as drained as any Warrior in a back to back at the end of a long trip. And Ibaka wasn't good and yeah, is probably not the answer in going small against the GSW at any time.

    But again this is about as tired as we'll see the Warriors. Their transition game was OK, but not nearly as deadly as when they're normally rested. And that's usually where they destroy teams that attempt to play slow-footed big men.
    Yeah, we played a tired Warriors team and they ravaged our small ball lineups.

    I'm not saying we can beat the Warriors at their best. No team can.

    I'm saying the way to even have a chance to do so is not by playing into their hand. Meanwhile, I wouldn't describe Poeltl as slow-footed.

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  • 3inthekeon
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    Great second half effort in this one. Refs were brutal. But getting hung up on one call... what are you gonna do? They applied the rule wrong but that's nothing new for the Raptors.

    Frankly, the first half wasn't a terrible effort either. The defence was only occasionally terrible, mostly it was fine, it's just that when GSW get hot, they tend to tear fine defences to thin little shreds. The starters were able to score to keep afloat, but the bench was not. Hence the big deficit.

    Not much change in the 2nd half except GSW weren't on fire, and the bench unit came out and tried to score the ball.

    Another great game with contributions up and down the roster.

    Also, another clue about how to beat GSW:
    JV: +3
    Poeltl: +5
    Lineups with Ibaka at C: -10

    Can't beat them at their own game. Have to play big when you can. Against teams where you have the talent advantage, matching up makes sense. No mismatches, talent wins out. But against a team with so much talent, you have to tilt the board with mismatches, even if there's a chance it bites you, because playing it safe is going to lose you the game.
    Does this game really prove anything? JV was very good and his numbers would have looked even better if he didn't miss a few shots he almost always makes. Poeltl matched with West, who looked about as drained as any Warrior in a back to back at the end of a long trip. And Ibaka wasn't good and yeah, is probably not the answer in going small against the GSW at any time.

    But again this is about as tired as we'll see the Warriors. Their transition game was OK, but not nearly as deadly as when they're normally rested. And that's usually where they destroy teams that attempt to play slow-footed big men.

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  • DanH
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    Great second half effort in this one. Refs were brutal. But getting hung up on one call... what are you gonna do? They applied the rule wrong but that's nothing new for the Raptors.

    Frankly, the first half wasn't a terrible effort either. The defence was only occasionally terrible, mostly it was fine, it's just that when GSW get hot, they tend to tear fine defences to thin little shreds. The starters were able to score to keep afloat, but the bench was not. Hence the big deficit.

    Not much change in the 2nd half except GSW weren't on fire, and the bench unit came out and tried to score the ball.

    Another great game with contributions up and down the roster.

    Also, another clue about how to beat GSW:
    JV: +3
    Poeltl: +5
    Lineups with Ibaka at C: -10

    Can't beat them at their own game. Have to play big when you can. Against teams where you have the talent advantage, matching up makes sense. No mismatches, talent wins out. But against a team with so much talent, you have to tilt the board with mismatches, even if there's a chance it bites you, because playing it safe is going to lose you the game.

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  • KHD
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    Jclaw wrote: View Post
    And to no one's surprise, the NBA has deemed that the officials did not make any incorrect calls in the last two minutes (except for one they said should have been a foul on FVV earlier on). Jakob didn't block the ball. You can go back as far as Demar but not as far back as Durant (whether he touched it or not). On to Philly...

    http://official.nba.com/wp-content/u...01-13-2018.pdf
    fuck the league office.

    They made an illegal call. end of story.

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  • Jclaw
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    And to no one's surprise, the NBA has deemed that the officials did not make any incorrect calls in the last two minutes (except for one they said should have been a foul on FVV earlier on). Jakob didn't block the ball. You can go back as far as Demar but not as far back as Durant (whether he touched it or not). On to Philly...

    http://official.nba.com/wp-content/u...01-13-2018.pdf

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  • Mitch P
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    He has to be one of the stories of the league this year (if anyone south of the border noticed). He is in the top 10 in the league in 4rth quarter minutes on one of the top 4 teams. Obviously he has the complete trust of Casey (if not the RR peanut gallery). An undrafted player who seems to be 5'11' without any sort of Marfanesque (look that up) wingspan. Though I've been on the side of the Delon Wright supporters I see lots of upside for trying to hang on to both of them as long as we can

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  • Sonny
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    I think we need to talk about Fred VanVleet more. The guy is absolutely amazing. The Raptors ball movement is more crisp when he's on the floor. And the defense can't cheat on him because he's a 3pt threat. There's also no panic in his game. He plays like a 5 year veteran player. But the thing that I love the most is his toughness. He's a one tough dude, I thought he played some terrific defense on Curry last night.

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  • 3inthekeon
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    golden wrote: View Post
    Not a chicken-egg argument at all. In the past, the Raps offense ran very few cutters, by design, to keep the paint open for drives. That was part of Carroll's complaint why he never fit into the old offense. Passing wasn't encouraged at all. Even Patterson, our stretch 4, was encouraged to drive the ball.
    2 years ago we cut 6.1% of the time. Last year 4.9%.

    This year with the new offense - 6.1% of the time.

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  • inthepaint
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    Mitch P wrote: View Post
    I agree with Jack that if the Raptors played D as in the 2nd half for an entire game they can beat anyone. Problem is; that is very, very difficult to do. Even at a high school or college level the "48 minutes of hell" approach is hard to sell to the players and NBA stars just aren't into running around with their tongues hanging out. After all the term "energy guy" is a bit of an insult or backhanded compliment and that's what they do. But I agree that our squad should be able to produce stretches of that intense D....perhaps doing it as long and as well as Boston does will be key in the EC final!
    Man, I don't know how in the world grit has become so underrated, but you're right, that's a tough sell. If they're smart, what these guys need to understand is this: You're hanging with the big guns now. With the modernization of your offence you've gotten closer to the grail than ever before in the existence of this team. And if this last game tells you anything, close to the point that consistent grit alone on the defensive end can put you over the edge to win the East, if not the whole thing (if of course they also stay true to the new offence).

    It's a monumental effort, sure, but that's what it takes to get a ring. GSW have arguably the most talented team in history, but if they didn't have a relentless focus on their own defence, they wouldn't be where they are. They wouldn't beat the Cavs.

    You don't need to do it 82 times per season, but you need to do it often enough so it becomes a habit. So come playoff time you have the chest hair to do it every game for 48mins and not look soft.

    If the Raptors (or anybody) think they're too good to run around with their tongues hanging out, or to be all around "energy guys" and leave everything out there physically and mentally during the playoffs, they don't belong out there. Time to decide who they want to be.
    Last edited by inthepaint; Sun Jan 14, 2018, 03:59 PM.

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  • golden
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    3inthekeon wrote: View Post
    This is the chicken and egg argument. We did cut at times, but when you have multiple tunnel vision players on the court cutting is pretty useless since they're rarely seen, much less passed to. Hell this board used to freak out constantly with JV standing wide open down low and our guards (DD especially) would jack up some contested shot. If they couldn't see a teammate standing wide open, you expect them to see cutters?
    Not a chicken-egg argument at all. In the past, the Raps offense ran very few cutters, by design, to keep the paint open for drives. That was part of Carroll's complaint why he never fit into the old offense. Passing wasn't encouraged at all. Even Patterson, our stretch 4, was encouraged to drive the ball.

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  • The Claw Reborn
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    Dr. James Naismith wrote: View Post
    Now that result was the definition of a moral victory. What a comeback! And a big ol' middle finger to Tony Brothers.
    Well said.

    Of all the professional sports, Basketball is the most difficult to officiate. Call are mostly subjective...one referee can perceive a foul as an actual violation but some would see it as part of the game. E.g. is it a touch foul or is it not?

    Another example: One would determine a dribbler to carry the ball and would judge it as an offense, but if you really keen in observing most of these players, they dribble the ball in an underhand motion.

    Overall, the league (NBA) always go by each player’s reputations and their status (superstar/ all star/ elite/ rookies/ scrubs). Refs also tend to make calls depending on the flow of the game.

    Although there are specific referees that are utterly corrupt or could just be totally incompetent.

    In most very recent years, the NBA is trying to preserve their integrity with the new changes (I.e review center) but the bottom line, this is a business and ratings will always be a top priority.

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