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Apollo wrote: View PostIt's too bad numbers alone don't win games Barolt. If numbers alone won games everyone could be fired except for a few people who can quote stats.
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Barolt wrote: View PostI don't understand. Are you saying that all numbers don't matter, except games won, which is a number, or points scored in a game, which is also a number?
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Apollo wrote: View PostPoeltl is playing more against the second unit. Don't forget that. He also is playing with stronger teammates and that helps. It can't be accurately incorporated into the analytics but this is a team sport.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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Apollo wrote: View PostNo, I'm saying basketball talent evaluation isn't about looking guys up on Google and comparing a line of numbers. That's one piece to the puzzle, it's not the puzzle.
But, for the purpose of argument, what exactly is your argument that Sabonis is better then(without using statistics, please, because numbers don't matter)?twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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Barolt wrote: View PostIt actually can be accurately incorporated into analytics, because we can look at the number of starters on the other team who are on the court against a given player, and average it out.
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DanH wrote: View PostJust a quick note here. Colangelo has DeRozan, JV and Lowry on his CV because he SUCKED. He built a bunch of terrible teams, got a bunch of high draft picks, managed to hit on a couple of them, and trade another to get a good player. If you suck, yes, you will end up with a bunch of high picks, and if you hit on even some of those you will end up with very good talent.
Colangelo didn't even know what he had in those players. Lowry was buried behind Jose, who Bryan eventually moved for Gay, who of course shoved DeRozan off the ball, and JV was stuck playing beside Bargnani and carrying the 2nd lowest usage of the starters (thanks to the brilliant starting SF, which was a revolving door of Mikael Pietrus, Landry Fields, Alan Anderson, Terrence Ross and Dominic McGuire until Gay came along and forced JV to 5th in usage). Yes, the shitty GM who shittily GMed his team to shitty records for years at a time ended up with lotto talent on his team. Hooray!
Thankfully we eventually got a real GM who had some inkling how to use and surround lottery talent. If Masai's biggest star discoveries were him finding guys on his own team, that's still a sight better than what BC managed - he drafted them, and still couldn't find them on his own roster.
Also, JV and Lowry just finished their 1st year as a Raptors when BC got fired. DeRozan i think just finished his 3rd. They were KIDS. You're talkin about Bargnani and JV's usage lol OF COURSE veteran players like Gay and Bargnani would get more touches than a rookie player. And it's not like JV is some great offensive big lol. You're probably upset last season that DD and KL got more touches over OG lol.
Last thing, JV, KL and DD were kids when Colangelo got fired. He could've done as good a job as Masai but never got a chance. And i'm sure he would've found a way to complement those 3 with another star.Mamba Mentality
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TRex wrote: View PostMasai has done a great job of surrounding Colangelo's guys with talent - that's great. But how about surrounding them with ANOTHER impact player? 6 years and nada. Dude still relies on DeRozan, Lowry and JV.
Also, JV and Lowry just finished their 1st year as a Raptors when BC got fired. DeRozan i think just finished his 3rd. They were KIDS. You're talkin about Bargnani and JV's usage lol OF COURSE veteran players like Gay and Bargnani would get more touches than a rookie player. And it's not like JV is some great offensive big lol. You're probably upset last season that DD and KL got more touches over OG lol.
Last thing, JV, KL and DD were kids when Colangelo got fired. He could've done as good a job as Masai but never got a chance. And i'm sure he would've found a way to complement those 3 with another star.
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A.I wrote: View PostConsidering BC’s trade/free agent history, I highly doubt it.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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TRex wrote: View PostMasai has done a great job of surrounding Colangelo's guys with talent - that's great. But how about surrounding them with ANOTHER impact player? 6 years and nada. Dude still relies on DeRozan, Lowry and JV.
Also, JV and Lowry just finished their 1st year as a Raptors when BC got fired. DeRozan i think just finished his 3rd. They were KIDS. You're talkin about Bargnani and JV's usage lol OF COURSE veteran players like Gay and Bargnani would get more touches than a rookie player. And it's not like JV is some great offensive big lol. You're probably upset last season that DD and KL got more touches over OG lol.
Last thing, JV, KL and DD were kids when Colangelo got fired. He could've done as good a job as Masai but never got a chance. And i'm sure he would've found a way to complement those 3 with another star.
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