Everything 2018 Off Season

[suspenders]

It's just hard to even come up with a trade that fits that description. How do we beat other teams' offers if we aren't leveraging a star? Even Boston and Philly's tertiary we-don't-really-care offers are better than our prospect-based offers, unless we are risking a lot of long term picks, which we absolutely should not do.

My uneducated guess is that the Spurs would see better value in JV, Poetl, OG + future pick(s), rather than DeMar. And they'd take Ibaka...

[DanH]

Yeah, if it's a given that he won't stay, you don't make the trade. What makes you think a year in Toronto will change his mind?

If you can't change his mind, then what was the point at all? This is NBA2K talk, not real franchise management. Again, it would be exciting to see Toronto be part of a big trade like this and to see the best player ever to put on a Raptors uniform (if he's healthy and stays healthy), for sure, and best case scenario, making it to the Finals for the first time. But that's for fans. If I'm a GM, I need more assurance that this move isn't a one-year wonder.

There's no guarantee that they don't make the Finals this year anyway, without a trade; it's quite possible they do better than last year simply by running it back without having to go through Lebron. If Kawhi comes, buys in, and is healthy, they're better than last year on paper, and maybe it makes beating Boston and Philly easier, but it doesn't even make it a lock, especially if you're sending out 2/3 or 3/4 of your bench and backfilling with the likes of Giddy Potts and Malachi Richardson.

In other words, if you think there's a very good chance that Leonard is a rental and leaves in July, what was the point of having him for one year? The base premise here is that's it's far less likely you can change his mind than the opposite. He seems like a pretty stubborn dude by this point.

What? Please, READ the posts. At no point did I say it was a given he would go. No one has said that.

It is a given that as of this summer, Leonard's current intention is to go to LA next summer. The Raptors would have a full season to change that. Exactly the same bet that OKC made with George and won. I think the Raptors odds of pulling it off are lower, but the reward is also WAY higher.

The point is, the chances of getting a player of Leonard's quality in the near future if we don't try this are basically zero. The odds if we do try it, are not zero. That is the point. The alternative (and the destiny we are currently facing down in the next few seasons anyway) is a tank to the bottom to try to get a top talent in the draft. Which is the outcome of losing out on this Leonard bet anyway.

[Hotshot]

This guy wrote the dumbest, most negative article about the potential trade. He's a Boston writer.

So?! Doesnt mean the points that were raised in the interview are not legit.

[gk17]

If you're going to end up having to make big changes starting next summer, then yes, it's not a big deal.

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I would prefer to get something in return for Demar. Wouldn't be bad to have something to start with - even if big changes are coming: a prospect, picks,..

[Barolt]

So?! Doesnt mean the points that were raised in the interview are not legit.

Yeah, it does. He wrote that Kawhi doesn't make the Raptors better than the Celtics or Sixers, which is dumb.

Bringing a perennial MVP candidate to a 59-win team makes them a top-end team.

[DanH]

I would prefer to get something in return for Demar. Wouldn't be bad to have something to start with - even if big changes are coming: a prospect, picks,..

Unless you are holding out hope you can get a high draft pick for DeMar (and considering the league's reticence to trade picks for talent at the most recent draft, that seems unlikely), does it really change the trajectory of the upcoming rebuild at all?

[jimmie]

My uneducated guess is that the Spurs would see better value in JV, Poetl, OG + future pick(s), rather than DeMar. And they'd take Ibaka...

Still questionable if there isn't a gentlemen's agreement to re-sign in Toronto. You're gutting your bench for a rental. If Masai wants to continue competing when Lowry etc. are off the books, you need either Leonard on a long-term deal or you need a really attractive situation for a FA star to come to. Giannis coming to join a team of Fred, Yak, and Norm? I doubt it.

[Barolt]

Also, listening to that Sean Deveney interview, 99% of what he says is conjecture. He speaks to the personality of Kawhi and who he is, but Sean Deveney isn't a personal friend of Kawhi. He speaks to the people around Kawhi, but Sean Deveney isn't one of the people around Kawhi.

He's speaking based on rumors and conjecture and what the rest of us know. He says literally nothing that tells me he has knowledge we don't.

And he's a Boston guy, so of course he's against the idea of the Raptors getting a superstar.

[white men can't jump]

What? Please, READ the posts. At no point did I say it was a given he would go. No one has said that.

It is a given that as of this summer, Leonard's current intention is to go to LA next summer. The Raptors would have a full season to change that. Exactly the same bet that OKC made with George and won. I think the Raptors odds of pulling it off are lower, but the reward is also WAY higher.

The point is, the chances of getting a player of Leonard's quality in the near future if we don't try this are basically zero. The odds if we do try it, are not zero. That is the point. The alternative (and the destiny we are currently facing down in the next few seasons anyway) is a tank to the bottom to try to get a top talent in the draft. Which is the outcome of losing out on this Leonard bet anyway.

And frankly, even if it costs Wright and Poeltl, those guys wouldn't be the difference makers in potential future trades.

If someone like Giannis becomes available, those two won't be the dealbreakers in a trade. And if a guy like that doesn't become available in the next two seasons, then we are rebuilding and will start hording assets and capspace anyway. Kawhi is a guy like that and could be available now. It is minimal risk for where the Raps are right now.

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[KeonClark]

One thing that brings me back to earth with a sad reality that my man jimmie up here pointed out during his post

The 59 win Toronto Raptors could run it back, upgrade with a top 5 player in Kawhi, and our ceiling for 2019 does not change one bit.

As of right now our ceiling is win the East and get thumped in the finals. With Kawhi, our ceiling is win the East and..maybe win 1 game in the finals?

Depressing

[saints91]

Our TPEs could not fit either player. Impossible for us to have been in on that.

It’s a moot point regardless but can you not use a portion of our exception and the TPE to obtain a player?

[planetmars]

One thing that brings me back to earth with a sad reality that my man jimmie up here pointed out during his post

The 59 win Toronto Raptors could run it back, upgrade with a top 5 player in Kawhi, and our ceiling for 2019 does not change one bit.

As of right now our ceiling is win the East and get thumped in the finals. With Kawhi, our ceiling is win the East and..maybe win 1 game in the finals?

Depressing

It's depressing for 29 other teams.. but you make the most out of it and hope luck finds a way to get past GSW. Houston almost did it, and could have if Paul didn't get injured.

[A.I]

One thing that brings me back to earth with a sad reality that my man jimmie up here pointed out during his post

The 59 win Toronto Raptors could run it back, upgrade with a top 5 player in Kawhi, and our ceiling for 2019 does not change one bit.

As of right now our ceiling is win the East and get thumped in the finals. With Kawhi, our ceiling is win the East and..maybe win 1 game in the finals?

Depressing

Actually right now I’d say our ceiling is ECF and possibly lose to the Celtics. With Kawhi, its a Finals appearance. I’ll take it. The main thing is the possibility that Kawhi re-sign, and I’d say Masai is as good as anyone to get him to re-sign.

Who knows, maybe we get to the Finals with Kawhi, Warriors get an injury or 3

[planetmars]

It’s a moot point regardless but can you not use a portion of our exception and the TPE to obtain a player?

Can't combine TPE's with other salary/exception/TPE's. Can use the TPE to bring back more than one contract though if it's large enough.

[white men can't jump]

I would prefer to get something in return for Demar. Wouldn't be bad to have something to start with - even if big changes are coming: a prospect, picks,..

It is a big risk to keep him in that sense. Another season with this group...what if DeMar again struggles in the playoffs only further cementing his reputation as a guy who can't win in the postseason? His value goes down.

Honestly I think if he had that value now, Masai would have traded him. Probably wasn't able to generate any attractive offers this summer and that is not likely to get better next year, especially when you add DeMar's contract situation and that he could then be viewed as a rental no one wants to pony up for.

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