... should we go ahead and make an "Everything Jimmy Butler" thread, or nah?
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planetmars wrote: View PostMasai has proven he's willing to do it, but his chips aren't as strong as they once used to be. Will be interesting to see how things unfold.
a) if we hadn't gotten Kawhi (which most of us NEVER could've imagined happening) I'd bet strong money that Masai would've completed a package for Butler sending out Derozan. We were in a position where shit very arguably needed to change. More than any other team I'd say, despite all our regular season success, the time was ripe for a homerun swing. So yeah, if it weren't for Kawhi, I think one could say Butler very possibly becomes a Rap. What team beats a package for Derozan+ for Jimmy?? ... Nobody. Sure as hell not if they didn't beat it for Leonard. Between Kawhi and Jimmy, I know we can say unanimously -- we got the guy we'd prefer 100 times out of 100. GIMME THE KLAW
b) not all of them, but some of the reasons our first package worked still apply. We're more ready to take a risk in the here and now than most because our time is here and now. No more all star to send out. (I don't see us sending Kyle. ya never know.) But there are a lot of good pieces we could put together that might be more than other squads are willing to offer. Ya never know. Nobody's saying it's happening. Fun to speculate though and part of me also hopes that the more we talk about it the more that it reverberates beyond us and has a small chance of coming true. If it happened, we could conceivably compete with anybody. If not, this squad is still incredible and should stand to be the greatest we've ever had by miles.
KeonClark wrote: View PostGotta love RR. Our shiny new toy hasnt even played a game but we're bored of that and want a new shiny new toy
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If you build it, they will come..
RT if you want Jimmy Butler on the Raptors! #WetheNorth @JimmyButler pic.twitter.com/dGyJU4fIad
— TurboZone (@Turbo_Zone) September 16, 2018
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Heard Shams Charania (who is based in Chicago and has followed Butler for a while) on Sirius NBA radio today.
The host asked him about potential landing spots for Butler (if he was to leave the Timberwolves, which is not a given), specifically asking about the Heat. Shams said he never had thought them (the Heat) as a landing spot for him before, but cited 6 teams: Raps (the first one he mentioned), 76ers, the 2 teams in LA and the two in NY.
In his opinion, the offers will come from teams in a position to take bigger risks (that already demonstrated "aggressive" pursuit of pieces in the offseason), and that there will be only about 4 to 5 teams involved.
He's obviously just speculating like everyone else, but he's a guy that has interviewed Butler directly in the past, and has been following the situation in Minnesota closely for a while (basically since JB got there from Chicago last year).
What I personally think Masai does on this one is hang in the weeds until near the deadline, see how the Wolves's season is going, then quietly puts a reasonable package (that doesn't include OG or Siakam), but it's not too weak either. Then he waits. If someone else throws in a CJ McCullom or a Steven Adams or a Saric/Covington, then yeah we're out. But if the market is static and everyone is just half staying put...
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inthepaint wrote: View PostHeard Shams Charania (who is based in Chicago and has followed Butler for a while) on Sirius NBA radio today.
The host asked him about potential landing spots for Butler (if he was to leave the Timberwolves, which is not a given), specifically asking about the Heat. Shams said he never had thought them (the Heat) as a landing spot for him before, but cited 6 teams: Raps (the first one he mentioned), 76ers, the 2 teams in LA and the two in NY.
In his opinion, the offers will come from teams in a position to take bigger risks (that already demonstrated "aggressive" pursuit of pieces in the offseason), and that there will be only about 4 to 5 teams involved.
He's obviously just speculating like everyone else, but he's a guy that has interviewed Butler directly in the past, and has been following the situation in Minnesota closely for a while (basically since JB got there from Chicago last year).
What I personally think Masai does on this one is hang in the weeds until near the deadline, see how the Wolves's season is going, then quietly puts a reasonable package (that doesn't include OG or Siakam), but it's not too weak either. Then he waits. If someone else throws in a CJ McCullom or a Steven Adams or a Saric/Covington, then yeah we're out. But if the market is static and everyone is just half staying put..."Stay steamy"
- Kobe
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hotfuzz wrote: View Post76ers are intriguing. They could potentially put in a pretty good offer w/o offering Simmons and Embiid and they'd be pretty damn good with Butler on that team. A trio of Embiid, Simmons and Butler is a Finals lock imo.
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hotfuzz wrote: View Post76ers are intriguing. They could potentially put in a pretty good offer w/o offering Simmons and Embiid and they'd be pretty damn good with Butler on that team. A trio of Embiid, Simmons and Butler is a Finals lock imo.
Really not sure how people think we're gonna get Butler for basically Delon Wright and a future 1st.
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Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View PostThey're not a finals lock, but yeah people are completely underestimating what Philly can offer here. All they have to do is put in Covington and a 1st round pick and we can't compete with that without getting OG or Siakam involved.
Really not sure how people think we're gonna get Butler for basically Delon Wright and a future 1st."Stay steamy"
- Kobe
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hotfuzz wrote: View PostAnd I'd be more than fine giving away one of them (assuming Butler isn't just a rental). Raptors fans overrate Siakam/OG wayyyy too much.
My point was that the offers people have been talking about the last few posts/pages are a joke and would not be enough to get him.
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The thing about Philly is if Minnesota wants to get something done ASAP, are they willing to take the risk in the offseason?
They may want to wait and see if Embiid can stay healthy for the early part of the season. If they make the trade now and Embiid gets hurt, then they've lost assets, can't contend without Embiid, and Butler most likely walks not wanting to waste the tail end of his prime gambling on Embiid's health. Philly is also not hugely asset rich, so a bad move and they could be in a bad spot in terms of trying to be competitive.
They definitely could put together a decent package, but circumstances may just not work out for them.
Toronto could just benefit once again from few trade partners being out there, and Minny likely looking to stay competitive. Make a decent but unspectular offer around Ibaka, who Thibs probably likes. Even with Powell's struggles last year, I can also see Thibs being high on him. Circumstances and Thibs' possibly odd preferences could tilt the scales in our favor.
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Jimmy is a funny guy.
exactly why people need to stop believing what you see on the internet.. I didn’t have no damn meeting today... its tomorrow.. i wonder what else people write and people believe hmmm...
— Jimmy Butler (@JimmyButler) September 18, 2018
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