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  • MixxAOR wrote:
    Anyways if Ibaka is seriously untradeable. Ibaka for Shroeder and pick?
    Don’t know why Hawks agree to that or Raptors because they’ll have 4 PGs, unless you trade Schroeder or one of our PGs away.

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    • Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
      So you're on board with a rebuild now?

      Because DeMar for Wiggins+mid/late 1st + that deal sounds like a rebuild.
      It's a rebuild, but it's not trade everything away for picks and dead salary and tank. There's a difference. With those trades the Raptors are still a 38-40 win team with a lot of growing potential.
      That is a normal collar. Move on, find a new slant.

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      • MixxAOR wrote: View Post

        3 way trade with Philly? Atlanta gets Fultz. Philly gets Lowry. We get Schroder + first from somewhere.. probably Philly.

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        • Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
          So you're on board with a rebuild now?

          Because DeMar for Wiggins+mid/late 1st + that deal sounds like a rebuild.
          Absolutely, if they can move Lowry for a recent 1st overall pick and extra assets.

          My point is, you don't force the trades now unless you are sure your are maximizing Lowry's value. I expect the offers will be more in the realm of bad salary plus one non-lotto pick from most teams, so I'd wait the year. But the Philly cap situation is such that they may be in a position to add two stars - one via free agency, and one if they can get a team to bite on their flawed extra assets (and I think they probably try to hold onto their incoming lotto picks if they can in the process). Which might be a unique case where Lowry's value could be highest this summer.

          It's kind of a dream case, though. I'd fully expect to have to wait out a better deal for Lowry. But I was never opposed to a rebuild, I was opposed to just taking the best offers on the table immediately, prioritizing getting bad over getting value in trades.
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          • planetmars wrote: View Post
            3 way trade with Philly? Atlanta gets Fultz. Philly gets Lowry. We get Schroder + first from somewhere.. probably Philly.
            I was going to suggest somehow to get rid of Ibaka but that ain't happening lol
            Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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            • planetmars wrote: View Post
              3 way trade with Philly? Atlanta gets Fultz. Philly gets Lowry. We get Schroder + first from somewhere.. probably Philly.
              If Philly is giving up Fultz and a first for Lowry, I'd rather just do that straight up and not get Atlanta and Schroder involved.
              That is a normal collar. Move on, find a new slant.

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              • MixxAOR wrote: View Post
                I was going to suggest somehow to get rid of Ibaka but that ain't happening lol
                BC is still the GM of Philly... maybe we can give him Ibaka as well

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                • Other Scott wrote: View Post
                  If Philly is giving up Fultz and a first for Lowry, I'd rather just do that straight up and not get Atlanta and Schroder involved.
                  Forget the pick then. I'd rather have Schroder than Fultz. Fultz is a gamble. Not one that I'm interesting in taking.

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                  • planetmars wrote: View Post
                    BC is still the GM of Philly... maybe we can give him Ibaka as well
                    Masai robs the former Raptors GM, that would be funny

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                    • planetmars wrote: View Post
                      BC is still the GM of Philly... maybe we can give him Ibaka as well
                      Sell them Ibaka = rich man's Ilyasova maybe he'll bite lmao.
                      Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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                      • planetmars wrote: View Post
                        BC is still the GM of Philly... maybe we can give him Ibaka as well
                        Nah, they want to chase a free agent, and they have enough excess salary to take on Lowry but not Ibaka too. They'll want to use that ballast on a star, not an Ibaka.

                        I don't see an obvious Ibaka move.
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                        • planetmars wrote: View Post
                          Forget the pick then. I'd rather have Schroder than Fultz. Fultz is a gamble. Not one that I'm interesting in taking.
                          It's exactly the sort of gamble the team should be taking. You can find a Schroder basically anywhere. Is he significantly better than VanVleet or Wright?

                          But the whole point of tanking is to be able to draft a guy like Fultz. If you can take that shot because he had injury trouble early on, you take it. Same goes for Wiggins - loads of downside, but it's the upside the team should care about.
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                          • DanH wrote: View Post
                            Nah, they want to chase a free agent, and they have enough excess salary to take on Lowry but not Ibaka too. They'll want to use that ballast on a star, not an Ibaka.

                            I don't see an obvious Ibaka move.
                            Yeah I know.. we'd have to give up a pick or a prospect to gain cap space on an Ibaka deal. Would rather just keep him and eat his salary for 2 seasons. Or hope he's got value as an expiring (although unlikely).

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                            • Masai traded Bargnani away, thats what I tell myself in hopes he can win an Ibaka trade.

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                              • A.I wrote: View Post
                                Masai traded Bargnani away, thats what I tell myself in hopes he can win an Ibaka trade.
                                There's always a chance. But just like that Bargnani trade, good luck predicting it.
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