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The Claw Reborn wrote: View PostWhy not? They know that Pop adamant not to directly trade Kawhi to any Western Conference team. So they would consider a LA native instead.
But with respect to DD specifically...
I know the Clippers don't want to become a tax team. If Jordan opts out then there will be relief.. but if he doesn't they'll need to shed salary not add more. Jerry West got rid of Blake and DeMar is a very similar player. Maybe not with character (and that might matter) but talent wise they are both flawed all-stars. I created a fake trade in some post above somewhere. Basically it was DD to LAC for Bradley (in a S&T) and SGA. That would probably be a best case scenario.
With the Lakers I think they just want to hoard cap space. They want the big fish. Lebron, Kawhi and George (probably in that order). Locking into DeMar now is a risk. Plus they've said that if they can't get Lebron/Kawhi they are willing to wait an extra year. DeMar has at least 2 on his deal. So the same problems can exist next year. He could mess up with their cap situation preventing them from getting a big 3.
We could swap DD for Deng and one of their prospects like Kuzma. Not sure Masai would take that. Deng's got a pretty crappy contract and he's virtually unplayable.
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planetmars wrote: View PostWe've discussed DD to LAL and LAC here plenty of times. But I don't know if either team would want to help the Spurs by trading Kawhi to someone else. Toronto would be their competition.
But with respect to DD specifically...
I know the Clippers don't want to become a tax team. If Jordan opts out then there will be relief.. but if he doesn't they'll need to shed salary not add more. Jerry West got rid of Blake and DeMar is a very similar player. Maybe not with character (and that might matter) but talent wise they are both flawed all-stars. I created a fake trade in some post above somewhere. Basically it was DD to LAC for Bradley (in a S&T) and SGA. That would probably be a best case scenario.
With the Lakers I think they just want to hoard cap space. They want the big fish. Lebron, Kawhi and George (probably in that order). Locking into DeMar now is a risk. Plus they've said that if they can't get Lebron/Kawhi they are willing to wait an extra year. DeMar has at least 2 on his deal. So the same problems can exist next year. He could mess up with their cap situation preventing them from getting a big 3.
We could swap DD for Deng and one of their prospects like Kuzma. Not sure Masai would take that. Deng's got a pretty crappy contract and he's virtually unplayable.
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The Raptors receiving someone in a sign and trade is exceedingly unlikely, considering they are projected over the hard cap even before re-signing FVV.
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MixxAOR wrote: View PostSuns renounced rights for Elfrid Payton. I liked him coming into the draft. Sucks that he didnt pan out.
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DanH wrote: View PostI wonder in that potential SAS deal, whether the Spurs would still be interested in Norm? Or at least more interested in him than Patty Mills. The Raptors could offer to swap the two. The Spurs would be taking on an extra year in salary, but would be cutting 2-3M per year for the next three seasons. And they were rumoured to like Norm over the past few off-seasons.
The deal would then be:
DeRozan (27.7M), Norm (9.4M), Poeltl (2.9M), Wright (2.5M), 2019 TOR 1st : $42.6M total salary
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Kawhi (20.1M), Pau (16.8M), Mills (11.6M) : $48.5M total salary
That lets them shed 6M now in the deal. Or if they no longer have interest in Norm, the Raps could also offer Miles as a shorter term salary swap for Mills if they want out from the term of that deal (Miles is 2 years - one a player option, Mills is 3, Norm is 4). Miles in Norm's place would mean even more short term savings (7M instead of 6M) and a year of Mills' salary chopped off instead of added on.
I think that's probably the best offer the Raps can reasonably make for Leonard.
If this happened though, I think we'd have to find a starting caliber shooting guard somehow. We'd have three 6'0'' point guards in Lowry, FVV and Mills and the rest of the team would be frontcourt players. There'd be some tricky roster balancing after a big trade like this, but if they could pull it off it'd be awesome.Last edited by inthepaint; Sun Jun 24, 2018, 12:51 PM.
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MixxAOR wrote: View PostSuns renounced rights for Elfrid Payton. I liked him coming into the draft. Sucks that he didnt pan out."Stop eating your sushi."
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The reality is the Raptors will have the SAME team next season, same roster. Masai doesn't have the balls to make major roster changes.
He's to going to sell hope to the fans, he's going to sell Nick Nurse as a difference maker. Nick Nurse might turn out to be the next Phil Jackson, who the fuck knows. I know one thing though, he's no magician. I don't care how good of a coach he is, the Raptors doesn't have the talent to beat top end teams.
Phil Jackson would never win 6 championships with the Bulls without Jordan and Pippen.Mamba Mentality
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TRex wrote: View PostThe reality is the Raptors will have the SAME team next season, same roster. Masai doesn't have the balls to make major roster changes.
He's to going to sell hope to the fans, he's going to sell Nick Nurse as a difference maker. Nick Nurse might turn out to be the next Phil Jackson, who the fuck knows. I know one thing though, he's no magician. I don't care how good of a coach he is, the Raptors doesn't have the talent to beat top end teams.
Phil Jackson would never win 6 championships with the Bulls without Jordan and Pippen.I relish negativity and disappointment. It is not healthy. Somebody buy me a pony.
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GLF wrote: View PostLmao jeez pessimist much ahaha. But you're probably right still
Last year's team was the greatest Raptors team of all time and they still couldn't beat one of the worst LeBron James team in YEARS.
If you can't beat that team then how are you going to beat the Warriors, who are like 10x better than that Cavs team?
DeRozan and Lowry has proven TIME AND TIME AGAIN that they can't get id done in the playoffs. Enough of the bullshit already.Mamba Mentality
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TRex wrote: View PostOf course i'm right.
Last year's team was the greatest Raptors team of all time and they still couldn't beat one of the worst LeBron James team in YEARS.
If you can't beat that team then how are you going to beat the Warriors, who are like 10x better than that Cavs team?
DeRozan and Lowry has proven TIME AND TIME AGAIN that they can't get id done in the playoffs. Enough of the bullshit already.
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golden wrote: View PostI agree we need more talent, duh. But the Pacers and the Kyrie-less, Hayward-less Celtics took the Cavs to the 4th quarter of game 7. Coaching was also a big problem. If you swap Casey for Brad Stevens, we're in the Finals .... guaranteed.
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