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**saints91** · Tue Jul 3, 2018, 01:42 PM

Barolt wrote: View Post

Dan and I were just chatting about his on twitter:

DeRozan, Poeltl, Delon, 2019 1st for Butler and Dieng.

To me, if the Raptors have some assurance Butler can be convinced to stay past this season, that makes a lot of sense for both teams.

That’s a bit of an over pay, we’re talking about Butler right? Not AD.

I agree, DD and maybe Delon would be good enough.

**DanH** · Tue Jul 3, 2018, 01:44 PM

Primer wrote: View Post

I don't see why we'd need to send them anything beyond DD straight up.

I mean, sure, great. But if needed, I would send up to that package (though personally I'd insist on sending them Norm if we take on Dieng).

The trick with DD for Butler is the salaries don't match. They might want to move Tyus Jones (who played a lot less after they got Derrick Rose), and that's just enough salary to match DD. Couldn't send any prospects, but could send a pick. Not sure that's enough value for them though. Once you want to send more, you have to take back more salary too, and after Jones the available pieces immediately leap up to like 15M. If the Raps could convince them to trade Taj (he's expiring after this year) that would work, but they'd probably insist on Dieng.

**Joey** · Tue Jul 3, 2018, 01:50 PM

saints91 wrote: View Post

That’s a bit of an over pay, we’re talking about Butler right? Not AD.

Realistically speaking, our entire roster wouldn't net us AD I wouldn't think ... Lol

**Barolt** · Tue Jul 3, 2018, 01:50 PM

saints91 wrote: View Post

That’s a bit of an over pay, we’re talking about Butler right? Not AD.

I agree, DD and maybe Delon would be good enough.

I think we're underestimating Jimmy a little here.

He's a legitimate, game-changing, top-10 talent in the NBA.

**KeonClark** · Tue Jul 3, 2018, 01:51 PM

Butler is basically 95% kawhi with a non comparable flight risk
This is who we should push all in on.

**S.R.** · Tue Jul 3, 2018, 01:58 PM

Swapping out DD for Butler would be massive for this team.

**DanH** · Tue Jul 3, 2018, 01:58 PM

Jimmy Butler posted the 4th highest RPM in the league last year; top 20 in BPM, WS and PER; the Wolves swung from a +8 net rating team to a -5 net rating team with versus without him (both their offence and defence plummeted).

He's a superstar, guys. You include what you need to.

That said, to re-sign him, you need to have a competitive team with upside - so Lowry, OG and JV probably have to still be here. Anyone else is negotiable. Can't send a pick past next year though - risk is too high if he bolts.

**Barolt** · Tue Jul 3, 2018, 01:59 PM

DanH wrote: View Post

Jimmy Butler posted the 4th highest RPM in the league last year; top 20 in BPM, WS and PER; the Wolves swung from a +8 net rating team to a -5 net rating team with versus without him (both their offence and defence plummeted).

He's a superstar, guys. You include what you need to.

That said, to re-sign him, you need to have a competitive team with upside - so Lowry, OG and JV probably have to still be here. Anyone else is negotiable. Can't send a pick past next year though - risk is too high if he bolts.

To add to this, his multi-year PIPM is 7th in the league, behind only Steph, Chris Paul, KD, Jokic, AD and Harden.

**DanH** · Tue Jul 3, 2018, 01:59 PM

DanH wrote: View Post

Jimmy Butler posted the 4th highest RPM in the league last year; top 20 in BPM, WS and PER; the Wolves swung from a +8 net rating team to a -5 net rating team with versus without him (both their offence and defence plummeted).

He's a superstar, guys. You include what you need to.

That said, to re-sign him, you need to have a competitive team with upside - so Lowry, OG and JV probably have to still be here. Anyone else is negotiable. Can't send a pick past next year though - risk is too high if he bolts.

For the record, +8 net rating is Golden State. -5 is Orlando Magic.

**Primer** · Tue Jul 3, 2018, 02:00 PM

Barolt wrote: View Post

I think we're underestimating Jimmy a little here.

He's a legitimate, game-changing, top-10 talent in the NBA.