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Game #58: Milwaukee Bucks 122 - Toronto Raptors 119

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  • The Great One
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    consmap wrote: View Post
    Lack of ball movement in the 4th sucks. Mostly from our two all stars. They need to get out of that mentality that they have to be the ones to take the final shot
    Shot selection is the #1 issue.

    Last friday against the Bucks there was a possession late in the game where DeRozan was going for 2 for 1 with 35 secs left in the game - down 1. He took a tough contested shot over Middleton. 1. Why take that shot? 2. Why go for 2 for 1? you're down 1 with 35 secs left in the 4th. You need to make sure you score.

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  • golden
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    consmap wrote: View Post
    Lack of ball movement in the 4th sucks. Mostly from our two all stars. They need to get out of that mentality that they have to be the ones to take the final shot

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  • consmap
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    Lack of ball movement in the 4th sucks. Mostly from our two all stars. They need to get out of that mentality that they have to be the ones to take the final shot

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  • GLF
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    Yeah and it's constant throughout the game, dropping off from 1st to 2nd to 3rd to 4th to clutch time. It has to be an approach difference - he comes out looking for the pass and kind of eases away from it throughout the game. And it's far less obvious a trend for Lowry, so I think it's more a DeMar issue than a Casey one right now.
    You seem to have a lot of faith that they'll figure it out and get it together. I guess I'm just not that positive, because to me 24 games or whatever isn't that much time to figure it out. Especially if we don't play many close games in that time period. Also they haven't in my opinion shown even slight growth in the clutch. If I was seeing progress there I would be more confident but it seems like it's the same old thing every time. Thank God they've stopped going ISO for 3 quarters. Now they just have to figure out that last quarter or the last 3-5 mins of a tight game.

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  • GLF
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    Lots of time to get their shit together. And I don't buy that these clutch stats are that predictive for the team - objectively, they have struggled offensively in tight spots with execution and need to improve there and should be working on it, but... Like the Raps have graded out pretty well in the clutch the past few years and haven't exactly set the world on fire in the playoffs. I don't think it's all that indicative of a big issue.

    I do think there's an issue, but these raw records and numbers are more descriptive than predictive here, I think.
    I really hope you're right. The only reason why it's worrisome is because most playoffs games are pretty close down the stretch. You rarely blow out teams or beat them by a big margin. Unless I'm wrong about that as well. Also it looks like we will either be playing Miami or Philly and even though I do expect us to beat those teams it's not gonna be a cake walk and they've played us really well this season.

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  • DanH
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
    DeRozan has the highest drop-off in AST% from the 1st quarter to 4th quarter of any high usage player in the league. Goes from about 29% to about 12%. Looks like we're still looking towards iso ball in crunch time and that is not a good sign for the playoffs.
    Yeah and it's constant throughout the game, dropping off from 1st to 2nd to 3rd to 4th to clutch time. It has to be an approach difference - he comes out looking for the pass and kind of eases away from it throughout the game. And it's far less obvious a trend for Lowry, so I think it's more a DeMar issue than a Casey one right now.

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  • Shaolin Fantastic
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    DeRozan has the highest drop-off in AST% from the 1st quarter to 4th quarter of any high usage player in the league. Goes from about 29% to about 12%. Looks like we're still looking towards iso ball in crunch time and that is not a good sign for the playoffs.

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  • DanH
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    Lots of time to get their shit together. And I don't buy that these clutch stats are that predictive for the team - objectively, they have struggled offensively in tight spots with execution and need to improve there and should be working on it, but... Like the Raps have graded out pretty well in the clutch the past few years and haven't exactly set the world on fire in the playoffs. I don't think it's all that indicative of a big issue.

    I do think there's an issue, but these raw records and numbers are more descriptive than predictive here, I think.

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  • GLF
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    Ooouuu those numbers are rough. I keep saying we have to beat teams by 10 or more if we wanna go far in the playoffs this year. Because there's not much time for them to get their shit together when it comes to winning close games.

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  • The Great One
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    This is also not a good sign.

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  • The Great One
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    rocwell wrote: View Post
    18-15
    Really? that's not good.

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  • rocwell
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    TRex wrote: View Post
    Curious, what is the Raps record against teams over .500?
    18-15

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  • The Great One
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    Curious, what is the Raps record against teams over .500?

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