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  • inthepaint wrote: View Post
    No, he was not. Shot 40% from 3, had key blocks and key rebounds down the stretch, and had the 4th highest +/- on the team. Had 12pts on a game we won by 7, with timely mid-range shots to keep us afloat when there wasn't a lot of people getting buckets. May have struggled through the first half, but then again so was everyone else, except perhaps Siakam.

    Sure, JV and FVV have been playing better than him, but that doesn't mean he was terrible.
    If someone doesn't like a player, it's not hard for them to look terrible.
    If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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    • I picked Virginia to win it all lmao (I also barely watch any college basketball besides March Madness)
      The name's Bond, James Bond.

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      • In ESPN 's pick your bracket contest, there are apparently now 0 perfect brackets remaining

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        • Wonder if someone paid some of the Virginia guys to throw the game away... not only did they lose, they lost in ugly fashion...

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          • Like the clutch opportunities we've been getting.. means more to practice those than to just have blow out wins now in the regular season. Dallas was basically winning all game.. and we just kind of took over and won. Lots of bad turn overs.. lots of bad misses.

            Liked to see OG back, but he was pretty bad defensively. Couldn't keep Barnes from getting good looks. Might be rust, not sure.. but Miller would have done a better job. Tougher match up in a couple of days against PG though. Let's hope he rebounds.

            Thought the refs gave the Raps a lot of breaks in this one too. Lot of ticky tack fouls that Dallas got that they shouldn't. Usually it's the other way around so that was cool.

            FVV has met his match in JJ Barea. Just can't keep in front of him.. and his peskiness is just swatted away. Liked that we moved Delon on to JJ later in the game. That match up worked.

            JV was clutch with this free throws (well missed one, but got the rebound). Love that he can still beast inside when teams go small and he's not that much of a liability on defense. He's going to be a stud when the playoffs start.

            Dirk is so washed up now, it's sad to see. I hope he retires. I hate seeing guys tarnish their legacy a bit to play on for just one more season.

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            • 3inthekeon wrote: View Post
              If someone doesn't like a player, it's not hard for them to look terrible.
              Don't know how much it has to do with liking a player.

              Ibaka is very obviously struggling physically with the grind of a season now. He's been pretty bad through this win streak, which also happens to coincide with a really busy stretch of schedule with lots of travel and little rest. And it's late in the season with mental fatigue probably setting in a bit all around. He was great in December and has been a bit up and down since, again with him really not doing great over this most recent win streak.

              Not too worried about him. He should get more rest/less travel during the playoffs which will help keep him fresher.

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              I'm hoping we sit him against Orlando so that he's well rested for the Cavs game. We get a little 3-game homestand afterwards, then three days off before the Boston-Cleveland-Boston stretch (with a couple more days rest after the first Boston game). We can limit his minutes and maybe rest him another game after that (maybe one of the ORL-DET back to back games).
              Last edited by white men can't jump; Sat Mar 17, 2018, 02:00 AM.

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              • Honestly, tonight much of the team looked tired, mentally and physically, and especially on D. Mavs may be a crap team but this was a good win.

                I don't know if it is, but maybe the tough win will be better than a blowout to re-energize them going into Sunday's game against OKC.

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                • white men can't jump wrote: View Post
                  Don't know how much it has to do with liking a player.

                  Ibaka is very obviously struggling physically with the grind of a season now. He's been pretty bad through this win streak, which also happens to coincide with a really busy stretch of schedule with lots of travel and little rest. And it's late in the season with mental fatigue probably setting in a bit all around. He was great in December and has been a bit up and down since, again with him really not doing great over this most recent win streak.

                  Not too worried about him. He should get more rest/less travel during the playoffs which will help keep him fresher.

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                  I'm hoping we sit him against Orlando so that he's well rested for the Cavs game. We get a little 3-game homestand afterwards, then three days off before the Boston-Cleveland-Boston stretch (with a couple more days rest after the first Boston game). We can limit his minutes and maybe rest him another game after that (maybe one of the ORL-DET back to back games).
                  You're arguing against human nature. People who don't like a certain player see all their negatives, but few if any positives. The opposite if they do really like a player. Happened with JV quite clearly, and still does on occasion. Happened with DeMar. The beauty in the eye of the beholder thing.

                  You are correct in your analysis of him being up and down. But this was far from his worst game - I'm not saying he was good tonight, but he wasn't terrible either.
                  If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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                  • KeonClark wrote: View Post
                    Probably in China. There's a graveyard of jv for ______ Christian trade targets

                    "Here lies Terence Jones. He fit the raptors system better"
                    Christian was wrong again. #ProvedUsRight.

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                    • white men can't jump wrote: View Post
                      JV has been our 3rd(at times 2nd) best player since at least the new year, if not earlier. It hasn't really been close.

                      Ibaka was bad for most of tonight. Made a few big plays down the stretch.

                      Oh and JV's minutes have been going up slowly all season while Ibaka's have been going down. Makes sense for how their seasons have gone

                      *Not sure Serge has even been our 4th best player with how FVV has played better as the season's gone on.

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                      • 3inthekeon wrote: View Post
                        You're arguing against human nature. People who don't like a certain player see all their negatives, but few if any positives. The opposite if they do really like a player. Happened with JV quite clearly, and still does on occasion. Happened with DeMar. The beauty in the eye of the beholder thing.

                        You are correct in your analysis of him being up and down. But this was far from his worst game - I'm not saying he was good tonight, but he wasn't terrible either.
                        But who didn't like Ibaka to start the year? Many thought he was going to be a huge factor and were happy to have him. Not sure how big an anti-Ibaka crowd there was. If anything, dislike for him grew out of the fact that he has been inconsistent and there's been too many nights where he's not much of a positive or even a flat out negative out there. So people may be guilty of some confirmation bias now (and some hyperbole), but he played poorly enough to sway public opinion on him. He was never as divisive as JV or DeMar.

                        If he could sustain a stretch of good play, I'm sure criticisim would ease up or stop altogether. He hasn't helped his case in the last couple of months as many viewed him as a guy who could knock down shots and be an impact player on D. His D isn't always there since his energy/legs aren't always there, and he's shooting 31% from 3 since the new year.

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                        • I think Serge played well when it mattered last night although I have been critical of him lately. I think he displays a lack of discipline at times, like when he was thrown out of a game recently, and his one game suspension by the Raps earlier in the season. And then he does seem to struggle on the second game of back to backs.

                          I don't want to lose him but we may have to make some room to re-sign FVV and if that is the case then he is the most expendable guy who may have some marketability. Assuming that Siakam's three point shooting improves, and the same with OG, then we may be OK next year with Siakam in the starting PF position. But that will weaken the bench unit.

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                          • wayner wrote: View Post
                            I think Serge played well when it mattered last night although I have been critical of him lately. I think he displays a lack of discipline at times, like when he was thrown out of a game recently, and his one game suspension by the Raps earlier in the season. And then he does seem to struggle on the second game of back to backs.

                            I don't want to lose him but we may have to make some room to re-sign FVV and if that is the case then he is the most expendable guy who may have some marketability. Assuming that Siakam's three point shooting improves, and the same with OG, then we may be OK next year with Siakam in the starting PF position. But that will weaken the bench unit.
                            It's crazy that the GSW can keep Curry, Durant, Green,Thompson and Iguodala all on the same team but we have to worry about which big salary to dump so we can sign a Fred VanVleet .... Lowry and DeMar should volunteer to make "just" 20M each so we can keep the gang together a la the Miami gruesome threesome some years ago ....

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                            • white men can't jump wrote: View Post

                              Ibaka is very obviously struggling physically with the grind of a season now. He's been pretty bad through this win streak..."
                              Nope. I disagree. Through the winning streak Ibaka nets an overall +33 (against opposing team's starters for the most part), and 11.6 points. Out of the 10 games he played in the streak, he only had two bad shooting nights: the wizards game, and the second Detroit game, which was a second night of a b2b, on the road, and went overtime. Outside these two games, he shot 37.7% from 3 within the streak.

                              The physicality that he brings to the interior defence is the other thing that has been huge for the Raptors through the streak and throughout the year overall. That doesn't show on the stats. He will get a tech, throw a punch and get ejected from time-to-time, but he will certainly make opposing teams think twice before "punking" us. He's another shot-altering bruising force on the inside besides JV that we lacked for years at the PF. He may not pass the "eye test" sometimes, but without him, we would have almost certainly lost to Houston and Indiana, and there wouldn't even be an 11 game streak.

                              As far as being "up-and-down", just about everyone on the team has been, including Derozan, Miles, OG, Lowry, and to a less extent Delon, Fred and Yak, with bad games here and there. And that's the beauty of this team: we're so deep that every time someone has an off night, the final product rarely suffers.

                              I agree that Serge's impact on the floor is highly dependant on how rested he is though, probably more so than any other player on the roster. So I would rest the heck out of him leading to the playoffs, because we're gonna need him in the playoffs, as we needed him all year.
                              2019 NBA Champions. Glad to have doubted the doubters.

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                              • white men can't jump wrote: View Post
                                But who didn't like Ibaka to start the year? Many thought he was going to be a huge factor and were happy to have him. Not sure how big an anti-Ibaka crowd there was. If anything, dislike for him grew out of the fact that he has been inconsistent and there's been too many nights where he's not much of a positive or even a flat out negative out there. So people may be guilty of some confirmation bias now (and some hyperbole), but he played poorly enough to sway public opinion on him. He was never as divisive as JV or DeMar.

                                If he could sustain a stretch of good play, I'm sure criticisim would ease up or stop altogether. He hasn't helped his case in the last couple of months as many viewed him as a guy who could knock down shots and be an impact player on D. His D isn't always there since his energy/legs aren't always there, and he's shooting 31% from 3 since the new year.
                                Actually I was probably one of the few people not a fan of Ibaka for quite some time. Would have preferred Ilyasova (not as good as Serge, but a lot cheaper). I guess that's why my expectations of Ibaka are almost assuredly lower than most of this board.
                                If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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