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  • S.R.
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    Scraptor wrote: View Post
    LeBron couldn't beat the Mavs with Wade and Bosh beside him, and at 17.8 ppg was outscored by 33-year-old Jason Terry (outshot by 6.4%TS). Losing to the Spurs was less of a black mark but still notable.

    LeBron needs to be surrounded with shooters... Against the Jazz in 1998 the Bulls had one floor spacer in Kerr (and maybe Kukoc). Aside from Kerr no regular shot above 30.8% from outside. Combine that with Rodman and Longley and there's no spacing for LeBron, the paint is clogged, and he's forced to settle for jumpers where he's shakiest.
    You're mixing up the dynamics of two different eras and laying the fault with Lebron for no reason.

    MJ didn't need shooters because you couldn't drift off your man into space before the defensive rule changes. Guys had to stick to their man or properly double the guy with the ball. You know how everyone says today's perimeter players couldn't handle the old hand checking rules? I'd say guys like MJ who shot under 30% from three for 9 of his 15 seasons would have had a much harder time going at the basket now than he did then. Not that he couldn't - MJ is incredible - but part of the reason he didn't need 4 shooters on the floor with him to dominate was because of the old defence rules - guys had to stick to their cover and for the most part he was taking guys one-on-one. If he played today I think his Bulls teams would need more shooters, both to create space for him and to keep up with the barrage of 3's today's teams put up.

    Lebron wouldn't need space creators in the 90's for the same reason MJ didn't. MJ would need space creators today for the same reason almost every team now likes surrounding their best 1 or 2 players with shooters. Defences have changed - a lot. (Also math finally convinced virtually everybody in the NBA of the value of 3's. That's completely changed lineups and rosters - for the better.)
    Last edited by S.R.; Sun Jun 10, 2018, 11:25 PM.

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  • The Great One
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    KeonClark wrote: View Post
    Why can't they just both be awesome? There always has to be an answer for everything..

    I blame tupac vs biggie
    Eminem > Tupac/Biggie

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  • The Great One
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    white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    The paint wouldn't be clogged, just like it wasn't for Jordan, because defence rules prevented you from playing off your man the same way you can today. LeBron would feast on the largely 1-on-1 defensive scenarios that were the norm back then.

    But how would Jordan manage in today's game? He's a worse shooter and playmaker than LeBron.

    LeBron needs to be surrounded with shooters because of the way the game is today, not because of his own style of play. Jordan would need the same.
    Jordan, in today's no hand check NBA? He would average 50ppg in today's game lol. DeRozan who's a midrange/slasher type of player averaged 27ppg in a season. Michael Jordan is like 10x better player than DeRozan lol.

    As for LeBron being the better shooter, LeBron is the better 3pt shooter for sure but Jordan is the better midrange shooter.

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  • KeonClark
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    S.R. wrote: View Post
    No. And if you put LBJ on MJ's Bulls and face the Finals teams he faced, I'd put good money on Lebron going 6-0.
    Why can't they just both be awesome? There always has to be an answer for everything..

    I blame tupac vs biggie

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  • white men can't jump
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    Scraptor wrote: View Post
    LeBron couldn't beat the Mavs with Wade and Bosh beside him, and at 17.8 ppg was outscored by 33-year-old Jason Terry (outshot by 6.4%TS). Losing to the Spurs was less of a black mark but still notable.

    LeBron needs to be surrounded with shooters... Against the Jazz in 1998 the Bulls had one floor spacer in Kerr (and maybe Kukoc). Aside from Kerr no regular shot above 30.8% from outside. Combine that with Rodman and Longley and there's no spacing for LeBron, the paint is clogged, and he's forced to settle for jumpers where he's shakiest.
    The paint wouldn't be clogged, just like it wasn't for Jordan, because defence rules prevented you from playing off your man the same way you can today. LeBron would feast on the largely 1-on-1 defensive scenarios that were the norm back then.

    But how would Jordan manage in today's game? He's a worse shooter and playmaker than LeBron.

    LeBron needs to be surrounded with shooters because of the way the game is today, not because of his own style of play. Jordan would need the same.

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  • RandomGuy
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    rocwell wrote: View Post

    This should be thought in basketball schools for teenagers as an textbook example of how not to have any legacy.

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  • rocwell
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    KeonClark wrote: View Post
    Snakes love summers just as much as we do.

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  • rocwell
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    lol

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  • Joey
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    Everything 2018 Playoffs!

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    JR and Nick young

    Hahaha Awesome. Well played.

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  • KeonClark
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    JR and Nick young

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  • grindhouse
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    The beginning of the fellowship era I have no respect for any of them. Raptors will not win in this era so I at least want to see real basketball.

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  • Scraptor
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    S.R. wrote: View Post
    No. And if you put LBJ on MJ's Bulls and face the Finals teams he faced, I'd put good money on Lebron going 6-0.
    LeBron couldn't beat the Mavs with Wade and Bosh beside him, and at 17.8 ppg was outscored by 33-year-old Jason Terry (outshot by 6.4%TS). Losing to the Spurs was less of a black mark but still notable.

    LeBron needs to be surrounded with shooters... Against the Jazz in 1998 the Bulls had one floor spacer in Kerr (and maybe Kukoc). Aside from Kerr no regular shot above 30.8% from outside. Combine that with Rodman and Longley and there's no spacing for LeBron, the paint is clogged, and he's forced to settle for jumpers where he's shakiest.

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  • Joey
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    Officially the JR Smith of the Warriors Championship team ... but worse, because at least JR contributed for his ring. Lol

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