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  • Deems
    started a topic The DNA of A Championship Team

    The DNA of A Championship Team

    Since we all know this iteration of a good, but not great team will never become a championship. I wanted to throw out the question what you think is the make up of a championship team? I'm talking past the obvious of having a superstar and a great coach, what are the little nuances that you would like to see in your team if you were the GM?

    Probably not surprisingly coming from me, but the number one thing I'm looking for is grit and accountability. I don't give a shit if my #1 player is the 2nd coming of Jesus offensively, if he doesn't perform on the other end and breeds passiveness as a normality; his ass will be glued to the bench. I want to see players who have been through shit and are willing to stand up to the goliath's of the league, because at the end of the day it's just basketball. NBA player are blessed to be in this position and if they aren't humble enough to give it all they got day in day out, I'll send them a recommendation to work at Tim Hortons.

    The 2nd thing I'm looking for is organizational chemistry, I would like to create a culture like the Spurs have. This ties in to the 1st point of accountability, if there is a true culture everyone is able to speak out if they see something wrong or right. The truth is harsh and I would want my culture to be built around that, the harsh realities that if taken constructively will help the individual grow. It won't be all gloomy however, having fun as a family is just as important as learning with each other. Through the ups and downs I would make sure we were all there for one another.


    I can probably go on but I would rather hear from y'all what your ideal makeup would be.

  • Shaolin Fantastic
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    Nilanka wrote: View Post
    For the record, I don't think Masai is opposed to tanking. Let's not forget that tanking was exactly what he was trying to do when he traded Gay and [almost] Lowry.
    And it's what he should do now.

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  • Scraptor
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    Nilanka wrote: View Post
    For the record, I don't think Masai is opposed to tanking. Let's not forget that tanking was exactly what he was trying to do when he traded Gay and [almost] Lowry.
    True, but he also said:

    "I think winning is what you want to build around …(not tanking). I'm not sure the karma is great when you do stuff like that."

    July 2013
    https://www.thespec.com/sports-story...at-for-awhile/

    Tearing down a 34-win BC team is one thing. Tearing down your own perennial 50-game winner is another.

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  • Deems
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    I think it's important to implement a culture before talent, with a proper culture expectations are set for all the players and coaches. Without it you have organizations like Sacramento, Phoenix, New York that have no idea who to look for or even how to develop top end talent.

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  • Nilanka
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    Scraptor wrote: View Post
    The really tough part is that if you don't answer this question correctly--what is the DNA of a championship team?--then you will just keep trying to solve the problem incorrectly.

    Masai seems to think you can solve this problem with culture first, which is why he is opposed to tanking.

    But if he tries to retool instead of rebuild we may end up fucking the dog for another half-decade.
    For the record, I don't think Masai is opposed to tanking. Let's not forget that tanking was exactly what he was trying to do when he traded Gay and [almost] Lowry.

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  • Axel
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    I don't need a title, I need hope. This group teased us with hope all season long, but it has quickly evaporated. That alone is why changes need to be made, to restore the hope that we could be a contender.

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  • MixxAOR
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    KeonClark wrote: View Post
    Louis Williams, serge ibaka, fred vanvleet.

    Damn
    well he did re-sign Lowry 2 times and Derozan. That counts no?

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  • KeonClark
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    Scraptor wrote: View Post
    Who is the best player Masai has acquired in the eight years he's been a GM/executive?
    Louis Williams, serge ibaka, fred vanvleet.

    Damn

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  • tDotted
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    Scraptor wrote: View Post
    Depth doesn't win championships. Star talent does.

    Who is the best player Masai has acquired in the eight years he's been a GM/executive?
    I think you missed my point.

    Depth alone isn't winning a championship just like having a star player alone isn't winning a championship. You need a combination of both

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  • Scraptor
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    tDotted wrote: View Post
    Masai knows how to draft and build a deep team; he's been doing it for years. If we landed a top talent, we'd be in the Finals
    Depth doesn't win championships. Star talent does.

    Who is the best player Masai has acquired in the eight years he's been a GM/executive?

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  • tDotted
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    Masai knows how to draft and build a deep team; he's been doing it for years. If we landed a top talent, we'd be in the Finals

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  • Scraptor
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    Deems wrote: View Post
    Giannis is arguably a top 5 player with plenty of pieces around him yet that organization seems to be on a treadmill. OKC had Westbrook and Durant yet they also seemed to fall flat. You can have all the talent in the world, but if you don't contain it not much success can happen.
    You can have superstar talent and lose.

    But you cannot not have superstar talent and expect to win.

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  • planetmars
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    "Talent" can only get you so far. Only one guy in this league makes a difference and that's Lebron James. Swap any team's worst player with Lebron James and that team is a contender. Nobody else in this league can create the same type of impact.

    We can get an Anthony Davis, Giannis, Harden, Curry, Durant, etc.. and we'll be good. Probably make it to the ECF.. but the probability of beating Lebron would still be low. You would need at least two of the above to have a chance.

    Unfortunately the only way to climb that ladder is to hope Lebron retires or goes out West. It's sad to say but it feels like those are our only two options. So might as well collect some draft picks and rebuild until Lebron is out of the league.

    Will be sad following a team that can't win in the regular season though.

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  • Deems
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    Scraptor wrote: View Post
    The really tough part is that if you don't answer this question correctly--what is the DNA of a championship team?--then you will just keep trying to solve the problem incorrectly.

    Masai seems to think you can solve this problem with culture first, which is why he is opposed to tanking.

    But if he tries to retool instead of rebuild we may end up fucking the dog for another half-decade.
    Giannis is arguably a top 5 player with plenty of pieces around him yet that organization seems to be on a treadmill. OKC had Westbrook and Durant yet they also seemed to fall flat. You can have all the talent in the world, but if you don't contain it not much success can happen.

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  • Scraptor
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
    They said it best on the Dunc'd on podcast. Unless you're the 2004 Pistons it's really hard to win the title without any top 20 players. We don't have any right now.
    The really tough part is that if you don't answer this question correctly--what is the DNA of a championship team?--then you will just keep trying to solve the problem incorrectly.

    Masai seems to think you can solve this problem with culture first, which is why he is opposed to tanking.

    But if he tries to retool instead of rebuild we may end up fucking the dog for another half-decade.

    Leave a comment:

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