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  • charlesnba23
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    What's next

    What's next for this team?

  • Jclaw
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    hotfuzz wrote: View Post
    Drafting is the still the best way to build a contender. I'll post this again.

    All the main winners in the past 15ish years:
    Lakers - kobe
    Spurs - Duncan
    Celtics- pierce
    Mavs - dirk
    Heat - wade
    Cavs - LeBron
    Warriors- curry

    What do all of these have in common? Each of them drafted one or more of their superstars. Drafting well (and in the lottery) is the best way to build a contender. How do you maximize chances of drafting Well? Tanking

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  • DanH
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
    It was just an idea but those are the deals I think we can make with Serge/Lowry. Take back bad deals but get prospects and picks in return.

    Like Ibaka to Portland for Zach Collins and Evan Turner's contract could even be a possibility if they're trying to get a guy who's more proven right now for example.

    EDIT: I do agree with you it might be hard to be really bad. Especially if JV sticks around. Might have to trade him as well.
    Yeah, my concern with getting bad is they have to move so many pieces to truly get bad - and the opportunities to move those pieces are going to be rare, especially if they want value out of those moves. So they can probably pull off one or two deals like that, but as much as I hate to place limits on what Masai can do, it's hard to envision them being able to deal 3 of their 4 best players to be able to get bad enough - and even then you are probably in the "pray" section of the lotto, not among the true tankers.

    They'll be able to pivot to a rebuild much more easily next summer, IMO. But for the moment I don't mind exploring possibilities, I just think the likely path is a competitive team next season, with a new coach and hopefully a nice return on a DeMar deal.

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  • Shaolin Fantastic
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    If they can manage to construct deals to both shed short term salary and gain prospects, I wouldn't be opposed to that. The Noah idea is a good one - they could even stretch his deal if they expect to be bad for a while. Adding prospects and picks is good. But I doubt they get bad enough for their own pick to get into the high lottery. And I also doubt a move like that for Lowry will be available - the Knicks I'm sure want off that money but whether they give up picks/prospects (especially to Masai Ujiri) is pretty questionable.
    It was just an idea but those are the deals I think we can make with Serge/Lowry. Take back bad deals but get prospects and picks in return.

    Like Ibaka to Portland for Zach Collins and Evan Turner's contract could even be a possibility if they're trying to get a guy who's more proven right now for example.

    EDIT: I do agree with you it might be hard to be really bad. Especially if JV sticks around. Might have to trade him as well.
    Last edited by Shaolin Fantastic; Wed May 9th, 2018, 10:46 AM.

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  • DanH
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
    Powell isn't any fucking good.

    We have exactly one prospect that's actually got great upside and that's OG. Poeltl, Siakam and Wright MIGHT be starters at best.

    Need to tank and get better talent.

    Swap DeMar for whatever assets you can get. Move Lowry and Ibaka for worse contracts and picks/prospects. You can't dump them but you can do something like trading Lowry to NY and taking on Noah's contract in exchange for like Ntilikina and a future 1st. Ditto with Serge. We're not gonna be a FA player so taking on those deals is a non-issue.
    If they can manage to construct deals to both shed short term salary and gain prospects, I wouldn't be opposed to that. The Noah idea is a good one - they could even stretch his deal if they expect to be bad for a while. Adding prospects and picks is good. But I doubt they get bad enough for their own pick to get into the high lottery. And I also doubt a move like that for Lowry will be available - the Knicks I'm sure want off that money but whether they give up picks/prospects (especially to Masai Ujiri) is pretty questionable.

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  • S.R.
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    Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Definitely both.
    Given how tight games 1 and 3 were, a slightly better performance from either could have won those games. With those wins a good chance the team doesn't quit in games. 2 and 4.

    The team quitting in 2 out of 4 games is also definitely on everybody.

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  • Shaolin Fantastic
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    Powell isn't any fucking good.

    We have exactly one prospect that's actually got great upside and that's OG. Poeltl, Siakam and Wright MIGHT be starters at best.

    Need to tank and get better talent.

    Swap DeMar for whatever assets you can get. Move Lowry and Ibaka for worse contracts and picks/prospects. You can't dump them but you can do something like trading Lowry to NY and taking on Noah's contract in exchange for like Ntilikina and a future 1st. Ditto with Serge. We're not gonna be a FA player so taking on those deals is a non-issue.

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  • Puffer
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    pakdawgie wrote: View Post
    ...Stay the course and bring back FVV won’t change anything. Even with a different coach. There are huge holes especially on defence that were exposed...
    It's my opinion that the "huge holes especially on defense" were because of the switching that the coach had the players doing. They were constantly leaving the corner threes open as they rushed to help. And if they were doing it despite instructions from the coach, why were they still on the floor? Why didn't Casey bench DeMar every time he wandered away from his man until he stopped wandering? You don't need him driving to the basket for twos if you can stop his man from hitting a three every trip down the floor.

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  • Other Scott
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    Players are the reason they lost, with a better performance from the coach they could have avoided a sweep though.

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  • Nilanka
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    RaptorsVictim wrote: View Post
    The question we need to answer is : which is the reason for this fall, players, coach or both ?
    Definitely both.

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  • RaptorsVictim
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    The question we need to answer is : which is the reason for this fall, players, coach or both ?

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  • Deems
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    Keep banging your heads thinking this team will change. Gut it and trust the organization to draft well. This isn't Sacramento or any previous iterations of management we had. Masai will get it done.

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  • SkywalkerAC
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    Continue the successful transition to positionless, modern basketball - add shooting, veterans.

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  • A.I
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    Just Is wrote: View Post
    Honestly; probably the lowest I've felt coming out of a season ... ever.

    On the positive side: I came out of this post season with 2 major thoughts. The first is OG is a stud. I don't see franchise player but I absolutely see something there. The second: I have zero problem seeing JV in all star discussions next year.
    If Demar goes, definitely. If not, then JV will just cruise along the season and turn it up in the Playoffs like he has over the last few seasons.

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