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    • Quirk wrote: View Post
      Nobody would be interested in having DeRozan as anything more than a 3rd option.

      His salary is what it is. He wouldn't be the first highly paid third option in the league, and in any case it doesn't matter, giving him shots just because his salary is high is stupid.
      There is always somebody. Always. As we sit here today there is a GM out there who thinks that they can tweak/change/adjust and get DD to be something he hasnt shown he is expected to be in playoff appearances....Nobody is such a blanket statement. If he is moved it will come down to price.

      Just very very hard to see the Raps landing on a decision to use your second highest paid asset @ 28$M for the next 3 years to be the third option ...then Ujiri will be fired for cause.

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      • MixxAOR wrote: View Post
        Fuck pelicans
        Who you do with your life is your call..but you might try dating women first before you settle for pelicans.

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        • Demographic Shift wrote: View Post
          There is always somebody. Always. As we sit here today there is a GM out there who thinks that they can tweak/change/adjust and get DD to be something he hasnt shown he is expected to be in playoff appearances....Nobody is such a blanket statement. If he is moved it will come down to price.

          Just very very hard to see the Raps landing on a decision to use your second highest paid asset @ 28$M for the next 3 years to be the third option ...then Ujiri will be fired for cause.
          Firing a GM for overpaying a very popular player who is 3rd in usage and a key starter, and an all Star, would be just as stupid as giving a player more shots just because his salary is high. Not a worry. Every team has overpayed someone. Overpaying a fan favourite who remains a good player is not something GMs get fired for if the team does well as a whole.

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          • LJ2 wrote: View Post
            I could be completely off here, but I wonder if the denial was from Gentry himself since Finch is his staff....and how much of that denial had to do with Casey getting fired for what many of his colleagues would feel was for unjustified cause. Like are the Raptors going to get the cold shoulder or have they damaged their relationships with other teams to some degree?
            They'll get over it, remember how Jason Kidd stole the bucks job, interviewed before the coach was even fired.
            Now the bucks was the most attractive job this offseason for coaches.

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            • Quirk wrote: View Post
              Firing a GM for overpaying a very popular player who is 3rd in usage and a key starter, and an all Star, would be just as stupid as giving a player more shots just because his salary is high. Not a worry. Every team has overpayed someone. Overpaying a fan favourite who remains a good player is not something GMs get fired for if the team does well as a whole.
              Sorry man..just not seeing the point your trying to make. Depending on which way the wind is blowing either Derozan or Lowry are the Raps best players and are paid as such. Relegating one to third option or coming off the bench for the remaining 3 years of a big contract is not a cogent long term strategy for a GM.

              Play him and live with his faults within the parameters of an offensive scheme that does not make good use of his skill set or trade him for player(s) who do. Marginalizing him is foolish...especially at that salary in a salary cap league. That course of action, third option or bench player, is limiting the teams ability to compete. It’s sports. What have you done for me today. You want loyalty..get a puppy.
              Last edited by Demographic Shift; Tue Jun 19th, 2018, 09:19 AM.

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                • Grange with the inside scoop?

                  If Scariolo is willing to be an assistant here that would be great

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                  • Scariolo was reported earlier by a European reporter. So that's probably solid.

                    While every team with an opening will be chasing Handy, who is a top player development coach in the league.
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                    • planetmars wrote: View Post

                      A nurse and a handy man? I mean, things will start getting fixed you'd think!
                      It's Klaw Season. Time to hunt.

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                      • Lost Jama to the 905 now, Nick Nurse has a lot of spots to fill.

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                        • Demographic Shift wrote: View Post
                          Sorry man..just not seeing the point your trying to make. Depending on which way the wind is blowing either Derozan or Lowry are the Raps best players and are paid as such. Relegating one to third option or coming off the bench for the remaining 3 years of a big contract is not a cogent long term strategy for a GM.

                          Play him and live with his faults within the parameters of an offensive scheme that does not make good use of his skill set or trade him for player(s) who do. Marginalizing him is foolish...especially at that salary in a salary cap league. That course of action, third option or bench player, is limiting the teams ability to compete. It’s sports. What have you done for me today. You want loyalty..get a puppy.
                          Nobody will trade anything of value for DeRozan. He is a barely above average starter. It's not loyalty, it's pragmatism. His popularity in Toronto makes him more valuable than whatever you would be offered in return, which will be not much.

                          If Masai can bamboozle some gm like with bargnani, that's great, but I'm not counting on it.

                          If we can't trade him for value, then the best way to use him is as a third option.

                          Not sure why this is hard to understand.

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                          • Quirk wrote: View Post
                            Nobody will trade anything of value for DeRozan. He is a barely above average starter. It's not loyalty, it's pragmatism. His popularity in Toronto makes him more valuable than whatever you would be offered in return, which will be not much.

                            If Masai can bamboozle some gm like with bargnani, that's great, but I'm not counting on it.

                            If we can't trade him for value, then the best way to use him is as a third option.

                            Not sure why this is hard to understand.
                            Even if we accept that DeMar is a barely above average starter, the perception of DeMar is certainly far above that of a barely above average starter, which is what matters in trades - perception of player value, not actual player value.

                            Even leaving that aside, are teams really not willing to trade anything of value for above average starters now? That's a valuation that roughly 75 players in a league of 450 qualify for.

                            Again, though, the perception of him as a player is far above ~75th best in the NBA - heck, even those SI lists that tend to underrate him put him consistently in the top 50, and top 40 going into this past season.
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                            • So as an example, would DeMar be perceived by the league as a prime Paul Milsap, in comparison?

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                              • LJ2 wrote: View Post
                                So as an example, would DeMar be perceived by the league as a prime Paul Milsap, in comparison?
                                I'd think his value to many teams would be greater than Millsap's has been for most of his career. Millsap only really got a big deal this most recent summer - because he hasn't really been considered a star, more a super-role-player. He's made all star teams, but for example after his first two all star games, in summer 2015 he had like no suitors, and was forced to re-sign with Atlanta on a two year term. He finally got some recognition over the past few years and managed to cash out with a 30M+ deal from Denver - though again on a short term as he was 32 by the time he got that recognition.

                                While DeMar is a proto-typical all star - high scoring, multiple all star games before he hit his peak including his first at age 24. Millsap's most impressive raw stat line is probably his 18-8-4 from last year. DeMar's 27-5-4 sells a lot better on the market. A good evaluator of "teams will shell out for this guy" tends to be PER (assuming a heavy minutes load), even though it's a bad talent evaluator. And DeMar's 22+ average PER over the past 3 years outstrips Millsap's peak three year PER of just over 20. And on the heavy minutes load side, DeMar consistently plays above 2500 minutes, with his peaks above 3000, and over the past three seasons averaging 2700 per year. Millsap never hit 2700 once, and in his prime PER years, averaged more like 2500 minutes. Which isn't a huge difference, but each little incremental thing adds up.

                                So probably a little above Millsap in terms of raw value, and then also with his success coming at a younger age - Millsap's first all star game came at age 28, the age DeMar managed his 4th all star game.

                                But I do think that's a decent comparison. Just probably underestimates DeMar's league wide value a little.
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