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  • RandomGuy
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    JawsGT wrote: View Post

    I sure hope not. Even if we were to get Harden, the last thing I want is for him to play the way he does in Houston. He needs to operate more in the mid range. You let teams off the hook when they know youre only going to shoot from 3 or in the paint. Harden is exactly the type of scorer that should have a mid range game. He would be unstoppable, and his success and that of his team wouldnt be solely dependent on his ability to get to the line or hit 3s. Ive always felt thats beem houstons problem in the playoffs, that inability to deviate from their normal shot selection and allow a couple of their guys to exploit the mid range.

    it seems like the raps allow kyle , fred and pascal that opportunity to take those shots. Hopefully pascal figures it out, or if he is traded for harden, then harden would also get that freedom. Cause if kawhi taught us anything, is that the ability to shoot efficiently in the mid range is vital for post season success.
    Harden is capable of all kinds of shooting, that wouldn't be a problem. He should be held accountable on the defensive end and off the court, that's all, that trade won't happen as we will have to give away too much to remain competitive even with Harden on our roster. I genuinely believe that Ibaka was huge to our team and I'm baffled how they managed to lose him when he clearly wanted to stay here.
    Last edited by RandomGuy; Mon Jan 4, 2021, 11:33 AM.

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  • A.I
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    Harden was the product of the system in Houston. Mike D'Antoni and Daryl Morey wanted it that way. D'Antoni ran a similar offense in Phoenix except with Nash as the main guard.

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  • JawsGT
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    RandomGuy wrote: View Post
    I wonder how many games we will need to lose for Nick to realize that we're not Rockets, we don't have the personnel, or are they literally trying out if we have it so we could pull the plug on the Harden trade?
    I sure hope not. Even if we were to get Harden, the last thing I want is for him to play the way he does in Houston. He needs to operate more in the mid range. You let teams off the hook when they know youre only going to shoot from 3 or in the paint. Harden is exactly the type of scorer that should have a mid range game. He would be unstoppable, and his success and that of his team wouldnt be solely dependent on his ability to get to the line or hit 3s. Ive always felt thats beem houstons problem in the playoffs, that inability to deviate from their normal shot selection and allow a couple of their guys to exploit the mid range.

    it seems like the raps allow kyle , fred and pascal that opportunity to take those shots. Hopefully pascal figures it out, or if he is traded for harden, then harden would also get that freedom. Cause if kawhi taught us anything, is that the ability to shoot efficiently in the mid range is vital for post season success.

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  • RandomGuy
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    I wonder how many games we will need to lose for Nick to realize that we're not Rockets, we don't have the personnel, or are they literally trying out if we have it so we could pull the plug on the Harden trade?

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  • S.R.
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    I'd say they're definitely trying to develop Siakam's offensive game in the direction that you usually get out of an NBA star - a guy who can get you buckets on demand, one-on-one.

    What's frustrating recently is they kept going to that in the bubble and it helped cost them a crack at the 3rd round. That wasn't playing around on a Thursday evening in February, that was a 7 game series they had within reach.

    Anyway, they are taking the long term view with their core players which is also why you don't yank around the minutes of guys like Norm and Fred. They've been working to this point for several years now and hope to keep making progress. They're prepared for some bumps along the way.

    That's all good, they just need to be getting guys like TD and Thomas and now Flynn those similar opportunities.

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  • A.I
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    Rudy Bargnani wrote: View Post
    I'm reading Nick Nurse's new book and am about half way through. It's a good read, definitely recommend it.

    It definitely reinforces the experimental/nutty professor image I have of him. As of today the raps are 0-3 and there has been criticism of his rotations, how he's not playing Flynn, and how he's using Siakam. My impression is he's definitely smart enough to be aware of these issues but he's testing things out and legitimately doesn't care if there are a few regular season losses. An interesting passage on the Houston game last season when they doubled Harden all game and lost when the rest of the rockets went off and hit over 40% from 3 while Harden had one of his lowest point total's of the season:

    "Afterward, the reporters kept asking me if I had considered coming out of that defense. I said yes, I did, but it was an interesting experiment to see play out. And I wanted too see it for 48 minutes rather than bailing on it at the end.......That's how coaching is sometimes. You try to win every game but the NBA regular season is long. To experiment along the way can be a little fun, but mostly it's useful---a part of a long intelligence gathering operation. Who are your best players? How do you put them in a position to succeed? And how do you defend the other team's great players. You're always probing, seeking more information"

    So..maybe I'm trying to talk myself into it, but in terms of the things that is frustrating me during the 0-3 start:
    --He probably knows Siakam's strength isn't half court iso but he's trying to develop it or see if it works for when playoff basketball slows down.
    --He's probably aware of other rotation challenges but wants a larger sample of evidence of how the team plays with Lowry on the bench. Flynn will eventually get his turn but he's testing out other lineups too.


    Definitely interesting and I'm not surprised at all. I noticed in the Sixers game, Siakam took a lot of mid range pull ups, its not his game, but after the Playoffs in the bubble, definitely wouldn't hurt to have him develop that. You can practice all you want, nothing beats experience from an actual game.

    Hopefully its reassuring to some people after reading/hearing about it. Nurse loves to experiment and we have some new players on the team and a new assistant coach who is in charge of adding to the offense.

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  • Rudy Bargnani
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    I'm reading Nick Nurse's new book and am about half way through. It's a good read, definitely recommend it.

    It definitely reinforces the experimental/nutty professor image I have of him. As of today the raps are 0-3 and there has been criticism of his rotations, how he's not playing Flynn, and how he's using Siakam. My impression is he's definitely smart enough to be aware of these issues but he's testing things out and legitimately doesn't care if there are a few regular season losses. An interesting passage on the Houston game last season when they doubled Harden all game and lost when the rest of the rockets went off and hit over 40% from 3 while Harden had one of his lowest point total's of the season:

    "Afterward, the reporters kept asking me if I had considered coming out of that defense. I said yes, I did, but it was an interesting experiment to see play out. And I wanted too see it for 48 minutes rather than bailing on it at the end.......That's how coaching is sometimes. You try to win every game but the NBA regular season is long. To experiment along the way can be a little fun, but mostly it's useful---a part of a long intelligence gathering operation. Who are your best players? How do you put them in a position to succeed? And how do you defend the other team's great players. You're always probing, seeking more information"

    So..maybe I'm trying to talk myself into it, but in terms of the things that is frustrating me during the 0-3 start:
    --He probably knows Siakam's strength isn't half court iso but he's trying to develop it or see if it works for when playoff basketball slows down.
    --He's probably aware of other rotation challenges but wants a larger sample of evidence of how the team plays with Lowry on the bench. Flynn will eventually get his turn but he's testing out other lineups too.



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  • G__Deane
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    Nurse is a Coaching Treasure. Genuine nice guy. Genuine good coach

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  • planetmars
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    Congrats again Coach!

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  • golden
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    MixxAOR wrote: View Post

    LOL that made me smile.
    lol. That was for you.

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  • MixxAOR
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    golden wrote: View Post


    LOL that made me smile.

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    Last edited by golden; Mon Dec 7, 2020, 11:08 AM.

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  • G__Deane
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    Other teams are going to target the winners circle....

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  • golden
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    planetmars wrote: View Post


    Nick loves Nate.. could be a big loss for our coaching staff if he gets the job.
    That's his right hand man. Nate knows all his tricks.

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  • planetmars
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    Nick loves Nate.. could be a big loss for our coaching staff if he gets the job.

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