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  • DogeLover1234
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    Jclaw wrote: View Post
    Zach Lowe keeps the preseason going with his list of his six most intriguing players this year. He prefaces that superstars, rookies and second year players are off the list but still finds time for this 5 man boston lineup (which is not a player, has a superstar and a second year player but who's counting...it's preseason).

    "This quintet is the most exciting group since Golden State stumbled into the Death Lineup: Kyrie Irving, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Gordon Hayward and Al Horford. The level of shooting, playmaking, and switchability on defense (minus Irving) is outrageous."

    Just wondering...how would a group of Lowry/Green/Leonard/Anunoby&Siakim fare against that lineup. Maybe a touch less shooting but a larger touch more defence? Can't wait for these Boston games.

    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...iguing-players
    I get why Lowe and others are really excited by that Celtics lineup, but compare that to the lineup you mentioned, or any similar lineup, and I think Raps have the two best players in Lowry and Leonard. I don't think Lowe is saying this lineup is the best since the Warriors death lineup, just incredibly fun to watch. I personally think the best Raptors lineup will be at least as effective as that one.

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  • S.R.
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    Jclaw wrote: View Post
    Zach Lowe keeps the preseason going with his list of his six most intriguing players this year. He prefaces that superstars, rookies and second year players are off the list but still finds time for this 5 man boston lineup (which is not a player, has a superstar and a second year player but who's counting...it's preseason).

    "This quintet is the most exciting group since Golden State stumbled into the Death Lineup: Kyrie Irving, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Gordon Hayward and Al Horford. The level of shooting, playmaking, and switchability on defense (minus Irving) is outrageous."

    Just wondering...how would a group of Lowry/Green/Leonard/Anunoby&Siakim fare against that lineup. Maybe a touch less shooting but a larger touch more defence? Can't wait for these Boston games.

    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...iguing-players
    I think you play JV instead of Siakam and you hammer them on the boards + grind Al "Top 20" Horford into dust.

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  • LJ2
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    Jclaw wrote: View Post
    Zach Lowe keeps the preseason going with his list of his six most intriguing players this year. He prefaces that superstars, rookies and second year players are off the list but still finds time for this 5 man boston lineup (which is not a player, has a superstar and a second year player but who's counting...it's preseason).

    "This quintet is the most exciting group since Golden State stumbled into the Death Lineup: Kyrie Irving, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Gordon Hayward and Al Horford. The level of shooting, playmaking, and switchability on defense (minus Irving) is outrageous."

    Just wondering...how would a group of Lowry/Green/Leonard/Anunoby&Siakim fare against that lineup. Maybe a touch less shooting but a larger touch more defence? Can't wait for these Boston games.

    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...iguing-players
    I think I would rather have Serge in and Green out in that particular match-up against Boston.

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  • Machine
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    Jclaw wrote: View Post
    Zach Lowe keeps the preseason going with his list of his six most intriguing players this year. He prefaces that superstars, rookies and second year players are off the list but still finds time for this 5 man boston lineup (which is not a player, has a superstar and a second year player but who's counting...it's preseason).

    "This quintet is the most exciting group since Golden State stumbled into the Death Lineup: Kyrie Irving, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Gordon Hayward and Al Horford. The level of shooting, playmaking, and switchability on defense (minus Irving) is outrageous."

    Just wondering...how would a group of Lowry/Green/Leonard/Anunoby&Siakim fare against that lineup. Maybe a touch less shooting but a larger touch more defence? Can't wait for these Boston games.

    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...iguing-players
    Already got my tickets for October 19th, 8PM. Ready to kill all this Celtics hype.

    Sent from my SM-N960W using Tapatalk

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  • Jclaw
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    Zach Lowe keeps the preseason going with his list of his six most intriguing players this year. He prefaces that superstars, rookies and second year players are off the list but still finds time for this 5 man boston lineup (which is not a player, has a superstar and a second year player but who's counting...it's preseason).

    "This quintet is the most exciting group since Golden State stumbled into the Death Lineup: Kyrie Irving, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Gordon Hayward and Al Horford. The level of shooting, playmaking, and switchability on defense (minus Irving) is outrageous."

    Just wondering...how would a group of Lowry/Green/Leonard/Anunoby&Siakim fare against that lineup. Maybe a touch less shooting but a larger touch more defence? Can't wait for these Boston games.

    http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...iguing-players

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  • Hotshot
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    ReubenJRD wrote: View Post
    Obviously. But, let's be honest, from an American's standpoint, no one is really looking at Toronto as a serious threat now or in the future because of all the Tatum/Brown and Simmons/Embiid talk.

    edit: I'm talking from an average fan's perspective. I'm not surprised that everyone is still talking about BOS/PHI despite having Kawhi.
    Americans have superiority complex (just look at their president ) so if they feel that a franchise in Canada might be doing better than a whole bunch of other teams, they will get crabby and try to discredit it. I fully expect the shit talking to increase throughout the year if the Raptors do look like legit contenders. It now comes with the territory, embrace it "We The North".

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  • ReubenJRD
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    Hotshot wrote: View Post
    Writers who don't appear on television tend to be more objective than the talking heads on tv looking for a soundbite, I wonder why.
    Obviously. But, let's be honest, from an American's standpoint, no one is really looking at Toronto as a serious threat now or in the future because of all the Tatum/Brown and Simmons/Embiid talk.

    edit: I'm talking from an average fan's perspective. I'm not surprised that everyone is still talking about BOS/PHI despite having Kawhi.

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  • Hotshot
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    ReubenJRD wrote: View Post
    Sorry, to be specific, from the First Takes, to the NBA TVs, to The Jumps, etc. a number of analysts continue to place BOS/PHI as this season's "Eastern Conference Finals" preview.

    Was not playing the victim card, but the Raptors are still being spoken of as the third best team despite everything you've mentioned.
    Writers who don't appear on television tend to be more objective than the talking heads on tv looking for a soundbite, I wonder why.

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  • ReubenJRD
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    Scraptor wrote: View Post
    Who is underrating us? ESPN has us at number 1 in the east, NBA.com number 2, that guy who does PIPM has at #1 in the east and #2 in the NBA.

    We're finally a legit contender. No need to play the victim card anymore.
    Sorry, to be specific, from the First Takes, to the NBA TVs, to The Jumps, etc. a number of analysts continue to place BOS/PHI as this season's "Eastern Conference Finals" preview.

    Was not playing the victim card, but the Raptors are still being spoken of as the third best team despite everything you've mentioned.

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  • SkywalkerAC
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    https://www.raptorshq.com/2018/8/10/...-kawhi-leonard

    Wrote a whole pile of words on potential rotations.
    Just great work there Dan. I gotta think that Nurse at least experiments with all of those starting lineups. There's a lot there to be excited about. I'd imagine he starts old-school with Green or Leonard at the 2 (I love that you started out with a reminder that Leonard can easily play shooting guard, that lineup is fecking massive), then Ibaka gets some nights off to rest and OG starts, then Jonas gets big minutes with the bench and we see if Ibaka can be a starting centre in some facsimile of a 'death' lineup, and Siakam gets his chance sooner or later.

    I tend to think Pascal will be a better fit as our true 'death' lineup centre than Serge - working mismatches, playmaking, positionless defense, attacking in transition. I don't think he's as bad as Serge at screening. And I'm hopeful his 3-ball moves up to the low 30s this season. Of course there's no reason this Siakam lineup won't be happening all the time anway, with him coming off the bench.

    Finally, the VanVleet-Lowry backcourt is so much more sustainable with Leonard at the 3 instead of DeMar. Your top closing-lineup looks right on the money.

    Exciting times. Keep up the good work.
    Last edited by SkywalkerAC; Sat Aug 11, 2018, 03:34 PM.

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  • white men can't jump
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    golden wrote: View Post
    Thought I'd throw this one out here. Below is a list of Raptor players who can guard each position, in order of size of the opponent. The combinations are staggering, as most of our roster can legitimately guard multiple positions, except for FVV, JV, Monroe & Miles. We can basically matchup with ANY lineup in the NBA: big, small and everything in between.

    Center: JV, Monroe, Ibaka, Siakam
    PF: Ibaka, Siakam, OG, Kawhi
    SF: Siakam, OG, Kawhi, Miles, Powell, Wright, Green
    SG: OG, Kawhi, Green, Powell, Wright, Lowry,
    PG: OG, Kawhi, Green, Powell, Wright, Lowry, FVV
    Yup, it's actually insane.

    Except I wouldn't put Wright on any actual SF. I mean he's long and can switch on guards/wings, but anybody with muscle can bully him easily.

    Also I'm rewatching the Washington series from last season. With Casey gone and basically Miles being the only weak defender from the perimeter guys, it's scary to think how good we can be.

    A couple other random thoughts from rewatching it:
    -OG is a legit budding stopper. His D is ridiculous. To think that now we have an even better defender in Kawhi and we can put them on the court together...Teams should be afraid.
    -I think Ibaka will have another up and down regular season, but I just hope he's better come the playoffs than last season. He also has just horrid IQ and hands out there. Can't afford to have him lack energy, because without it he's just brutal.
    Last edited by white men can't jump; Sat Aug 11, 2018, 12:42 AM.

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  • Scraptor
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    ReubenJRD wrote: View Post
    There are so many options for this team to be really good, and it's scary how much they're being underrated ON PAPER.
    Who is underrating us? ESPN has us at number 1 in the east, NBA.com number 2, that guy who does PIPM has at #1 in the east and #2 in the NBA.

    We're finally a legit contender. No need to play the victim card anymore.

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  • ReubenJRD
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    Just thinking about the overall depth chart:

    PG: Kyle Lowry/Fred VanVleet/Lorenzo Brown
    SG: Danny Green/Delon Wright/Norman Powell
    SF: Kawhi Leonard/OG Anunoby/C.J. Miles
    PF: Serge Ibaka/Pascal Siakam
    C: Jonas Valanciunas/Greg Monroe

    This isn't the preferred starting lineup, but looking at it from a depth standpoint, it's quite the goddamn luxury that Miles/Powell/Monroe are the 10th/11th/12th men on the roster.

    I know that Nurse will be quite experimental with the rotation, but I expect the nine man rotation that plays on a game-by-game basis to be:

    PG: Lowry/VanVleet
    SG: Green/Wright
    SF: Kawhi
    PF: OG/Siakam
    C: JV/Ibaka

    I'm singing to the choir here, guys, but, they just added a top-3 (when healthy) player, one of the best 3-&-D players over the last five years, to a team with a top-10 point guard and the best bench in the league.

    There are so many options for this team to be really good, and it's scary how much they're being underrated ON PAPER.

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  • Truth Teller
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
    Except Casey actually has a mainly positive effect in the regular season.

    His whole problem is not making good adjustments in the playoffs. As a regular season coach he's very good.
    Regular season allows teams to just chug out the same lineup game after game and make little adjustments. Casey was good at that because the Raptors have a lot of talent/depth.

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  • JimiCliff
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    golden wrote: View Post
    Thought I'd throw this one out here. Below is a list of Raptor players who can guard each position, in order of size of the opponent. The combinations are staggering, as most of our roster can legitimately guard multiple positions, except for FVV, JV, Monroe & Miles. We can basically matchup with ANY lineup in the NBA: big, small and everything in between.

    Center: JV, Monroe, Ibaka, Siakam
    PF: Ibaka, Siakam, OG, Kawhi
    SF: Siakam, OG, Kawhi, Miles, Powell, Wright, Green
    SG: OG, Kawhi, Green, Powell, Wright, Lowry,
    PG: OG, Kawhi, Green, Powell, Wright, Lowry, FVV
    The flexibility is staggering. Even more so when you consider:

    - The number of those players who can not only guard, but guard *well*.

    - How little deadweight there is on offence.

    (Minor quibble: I'd say FVV can guard most 2s.)

    IS IT PRESEASON YET

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