Everything Playoffs

[DanH]

That's why I included in my original post "I get that the NBA is rolling in dough"

To me this is always like a union inspired weak argument. The Iron Man series or ACDC or Connor McGregor may have a budget, but they don't have a team cap that hamstrings them from paying the rest of the event in the goal of making a better movie, a better concert etc. So yes, NBA players are the show and bring in a ton of dough with a pre-determined percentage staying in player hands. But paying 35-45M to a single player (or $30M each to two or three players) in a salary cap world doesn't make sense. Very few players made 30M even a few years ago and none made 40 but are potentially about to.

So no, it's not worth it if it hamstrings a team from adding competitive pieces. The whole "Luxury Tax Threshold" is goofy to me

But players did make the equivalent of 35-45M, relative to the cap. If you think 35-45M hamstrings a team in a 100+M cap era, then the 21-27M contracts of the 2005-2015 era (with salary caps in the 50-60M range) were equally a handicap to their team.

If you want to go back to before the luxury tax era, are you advocating for the bygone days of Michael Jordan earning literally the entire cap for the Bulls? He made 30M and 33M in 1996-97 and 97-98. The salary cap in those years was 24M and 27M. And I doubt you'll find a strong argument for how that prevented the Bulls from having success in those two seasons.

The reality is, star players are currently dramatically underpaid in the NBA relative to their peers.

[G__Deane]

It's just funny to me. Before the playoffs started, depth was supposed to be the Raptors strength, that was the storyline along with Kawhi. While lack of depth on the other hand was supposed to be the weakness of the Warriors.

Now, everyone's talking about the Raptors lack of depth, and how much depth the Warriors have.

The problem is, Nick Nurse doesn't trust any of his bench guys not named FVV, Ibaka and Powell. His confidence on FVV is through the fucking roof.

Kerr on the other hand trusts EVERYONE. Bogut started games 1 and 2 for them, Jones started in Game 3. And McKinney and Bell got the start last night for the Warriors. Cook also got a lot of playing time last night along with a guy that i've never heard of before.

Patrick McCaw who under Kerr was a rotation player in the playoffs a couple of years ago can't even get any playing time under Nurse even with all the FVV struggles. Jeremy Lin is another one. Miller to me is another McKinney and he can't get any playing time. If McKinney was still here would he get any meaningful playing time under Nurse?

Based on an entire season, who said depth was supposed to be the Raptors strength before the playoffs started???
I want names and addresses!

The bench was destroyed (for good reason) when we promoted Siakam and traded Poeltl. We further stripped it when we shipped out Wright, JV and to a lesser extent, Miles.

We knew MONTHS ago that the latest greatest idea was to untimately sacrifice depth and the bench that carried our starters for long periods last season, for a superstar and less bench ceiling and no depth.

That's BEFORE you lose OG and McCaw....

[Apollo]

Trust is not a guarantee or right. It must be earned. Only Nurse knows who's earned it with him.

[KeonClark]

Bla bla bla depth and coaching. Curry has been playing out of his mind again, and dray and Klay are right behind him.

you're as good as your best players. When Kawhi, Lowry and siakam all have a good game on the same night we're practically unbeatable and nurse looks great too

[The Great One]

It's just funny to me. Before the playoffs started, depth was supposed to be the Raptors strength, that was the storyline along with Kawhi. While lack of depth on the other hand was supposed to be the weakness of the Warriors.

Now, everyone's talking about the Raptors lack of depth, and how much depth the Warriors have.

The problem is, Nick Nurse doesn't trust any of his bench guys not named FVV, Ibaka and Powell. His confidence on FVV is through the fucking roof.

Kerr on the other hand trusts EVERYONE. Bogut started games 1 and 2 for them, Jones started in Game 3. And McKinney and Bell got the start last night for the Warriors. Cook also got a lot of playing time last night along with a guy that i've never heard of before.

Patrick McCaw who under Kerr was a rotation player in the playoffs a couple of years ago can't even get any playing time under Nurse even with all the FVV struggles. Jeremy Lin is another one. Miller to me is another McKinney and he can't get any playing time. If McKinney was still here would he get any meaningful playing time under Nurse?

[MixxAOR]

That's why I included in my original post "I get that the NBA is rolling is dough"

To me this is always like a union inspired weak argument. The Iron Man series or ACDC or Connor McGregor may have a budget, but they don't have a team cap that hamstrings them from paying the rest of the event in the goal of making a better movie, a better concert etc. So yes, NBA players are the show and bring in a ton of dough with a pre-determined percentage staying in player hands. But paying 35-45M to a single player (or $30M each to two or three players) in a salary cap world doesn't make sense. Very few players made 30M even a few years ago and none made 40 but are potentially about to.

So no, it's not worth it if it hamstrings a team from adding competitive pieces. The whole "Luxury Tax Threshold" is goofy to me

Then don't sign them. What's the problem?

[G__Deane]

What is "worth it"? Players get 50% of basketball revenue, and its split amongst them to try and create a winning team.

does Robert downey to deserve $30 million to film a few scenes where hes not in the iron man costume? If Joe blow replaced him as iron guy, probably wouldn't make as much money..

That's why I included in my original post "I get that the NBA is rolling in dough"

To me this is always like a union inspired weak argument. The Iron Man series or ACDC or Connor McGregor may have a budget, but they don't have a team cap that hamstrings them from paying the rest of the event in the goal of making a better movie, a better concert etc. So yes, NBA players are the show and bring in a ton of dough with a pre-determined percentage staying in player hands. But paying 35-45M to a single player (or $30M each to two or three players) in a salary cap world doesn't make sense. Very few players made 30M even a few years ago and none made 40 but are potentially about to.

So no, it's not worth it if it hamstrings a team from adding competitive pieces. The whole "Luxury Tax Threshold" is goofy to me

[KeonClark]

Not too sure where you got either one of those as the main thoughts out of what I said.
But if you want a synopsis; no player deserves $40M per season.
As some sort of Super Max.....sounds like a term made up by an agent. Currently the top salary in the league is Curry at about 34 I believe and he might be the only one worth it with regards to how it plays into team structures. Durant, Giannis, lebron.

What is "worth it"? Players get 50% of basketball revenue, and its split amongst them to try and create a winning team.

does Robert downey to deserve $30 million to film a few scenes where hes not in the iron man costume? If Joe blow replaced him as iron guy, probably wouldn't make as much money..

[G__Deane]

What are you arguing? That all players deserve less money? Or role players deserve more and stars deserve less? Cause both are wrong

Not too sure where you got either one of those as the main thoughts out of what I said.
But if you want a synopsis; no player deserves $40M per season.
As some sort of Super Max.....sounds like a term made up by an agent. Currently the top salary in the league is Curry at about 34 I believe and he might be the only one worth it with regards to how it plays into team structures. Durant, Giannis, lebron.

[slaw]

Blazers are basically the Lowry/DeRozan led Raptors of the west.

Meh. There is no shame in losing to GSW. One team has won a playoff series against them in the last 5 years and that took arguably the greatest comeback performance by arguably the greatest player of all time. After that, GSW added another top-5 player (KD) to an already great team that had arguably the second greatest player of his generation (Curry).

Blazers had a great run. Losing Nurkic really hurt them but it was more just that the Warriors are unbeatable when Curry takes over. No one is beating the Warriors if they are playing like this. Oddly, Portland might have been their biggest threat....

[KeonClark]

It's a system wide problem. No player, and I mean no player, is worth $40 million per year with the impact it has on the ability to truly compete. For me, the same goes for $30M except for exceptional generational players.

I get that the NBA is rolling is dough, but we're talking 30-40M $$$ to throw a round ball through a round hoop....

If Lowry was making 20M instead of 30 and you trim a little fat in a few more places, you're talking about the ability to pay another prime time A list scorer.....or Serge+ ......or 15 Pascal Siakam's lol

What are you arguing? That all players deserve less money? Or role players deserve more and stars deserve less? Cause both are wrong

[G__Deane]

Yeah with Nurkic suffering the Joe Thiesman it really hurt Portland...I thought Kanter sucked it up and played well despite a separated shoulder..hairline farcture in his collar bone or whatever it was he gutted it out.

Soheres the balls call..if you give Lillard the money..you effectively shut down the ability to find him the talent upgrade the blazers need to get by a team like GSW and the now lurking Nuggets..

It’s a tough call...

It's a system wide problem. No player, and I mean no player, is worth $40 million per year with the impact it has on the ability to truly compete. For me, the same goes for $30M except for exceptional generational players.

I get that the NBA is rolling is dough, but we're talking 30-40M $$$ to throw a round ball through a round hoop....

If Lowry was making 20M instead of 30 and you trim a little fat in a few more places, you're talking about the ability to pay another prime time A list scorer.....or Serge+ ......or 15 Pascal Siakam's lol

[Demographic Shift]

Lillard needs help. On his own, no, he certainly can't do it. But how many can?

Don't forget they just lost Nurkic before the playoffs and still advanced as far as they have in a generation, including the hallmark moment knocking out the Thunder. Lillard is not wall. Portland will lock him up.

Yeah with Nurkic suffering the Joe Thiesman it really hurt Portland...I thought Kanter sucked it up and played well despite a separated shoulder..hairline farcture in his collar bone or whatever it was he gutted it out.

Soheres the balls call..if you give Lillard the money..you effectively shut down the ability to find him the talent upgrade the blazers need to get by a team like GSW and the now lurking Nuggets..

It’s a tough call...

[KeonClark]

And when Lillard is selected to an All NBA team for a second time..he is eligible for the super max....

He is a great player....but there has to be some real soul searching moments to commit 200M$ plus for 5 years when in the pit of your stomach you know he can’t win it for you accapella.

Lets call it the Blazers John Wall moment....

I think they say no.

Lillard needs help. On his own, no, he certainly can't do it. But how many can?

Don't forget they just lost Nurkic before the playoffs and still advanced as far as they have in a generation, including the hallmark moment knocking out the Thunder. Lillard is not wall. Portland will lock him up.

[Demographic Shift]

Blazers are basically the Lowry/DeRozan led Raptors of the west.

And when Lillard is selected to an All NBA team for a second time..he is eligible for the super max....

He is a great player....but there has to be some real soul searching moments to commit 200M$ plus for 5 years when in the pit of your stomach you know he can’t win it for you accapella.

Lets call it the Blazers John Wall moment....

I think they say no.