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  • golden
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    Blazers are basically the Lowry/DeRozan led Raptors of the west.

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  • G__Deane
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    Jclaw wrote: View Post
    Lillard tried the Kawhi shot
    Well short instead of the 4 bouncer special ....
    Last edited by G__Deane; Tue May 21, 2019, 09:46 AM.

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  • GOLDBLUM
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  • Jclaw
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    Lillard tried the Kawhi shot

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  • Apollo
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    I don't think he did a great job but then again he wasn't done when he left. He moved some of those guys (who look good) for various reasons. One important reason was to get LeBron, which he did and the other was to have flexibility to give LeBron one or two elite talents to tether to him. That move was to come this off-season. Because of this I give him an incomplete grade. Some are taking his moves on a move by move basis and judging him on that, which is disregarding what he was angling for this summer. If you feel he did a poor job then that's easy to prove to yourself but is that the complete truth? I don't think so but maybe he doesn't deserve better because he quit before he was done.

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  • Demographic Shift
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    Apollo wrote: View Post

    I'm not sure what you're asking in the first paragraph but what I'm saying is just because you have a conclusion doesn't mean the person living the life has the same conclusion. In fact it would be unlikely seeing how he wouldn't be able to look at his own decisions objectively. Its easy for you to conclude these things and cast judgement because you're not in his shoes living it daily. You don't have an emotional investment, so yeah, I stick by what I said because its backed up by human nature.

    I also think you're exaggerating when you say they're on "the rocks", pretty dramatic there. Bron and Ball got hurt and they fell from 4th out of the playoffs. He rolled the dice on getting AD and it blew up in his face but Pelinka is the GM, he's in bed with the guy, its not just Magic and when you gamble sometimes you lose. Pelinka was there first and Magic wasn't allowed to fire him when he came on. This off season the team has all it needs to rebound: LeBron, cap space, prospects, top five lotto pick. Magic didn't walk away because he was scared, I don't buy it and it doesn't tie to the rumors which Magic himself confirmed today. So unless you think Magic is a dirty liar there's nothing more to cover.
    Ah.. but there is always more in sports discussion. ANd yeah its a sports board where you can pretty much say what you think based on ones interpretation of the events at hand without getting to personal.

    I think that Magic is cockup from the get go as a front office type... you don't share that view... OK thats it.

    Do I think Magic is a dirty liar ?
    No.

    But....

    The sports world is not all black and white.. theres lots n lots n lots of grey in it.
    Do I think Magic paints the grey areas like Picasso ? The world and truth according to Magic ?
    Yes. Unequivocally YES
    Last edited by Demographic Shift; Mon May 20, 2019, 05:32 PM.

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  • Apollo
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    Demographic Shift wrote: View Post

    Are you saying that despite reams of evidence to the contrary that if Magic Johnson self identify's as an overtly successful NBA GM then it is so because he thinks he is ?

    He would have had a chance to back the ship back off the rocks he steered them on but have to think it was the thinnest of possibilities.
    Players and their agents aren't thick. If it burns and it smells its a dumpster fire. And thats what the Lakers are right now.
    Its going to take an awful lot fabreeze to take out the smell from the Magic Johsnon NBA exec era.
    Did I forget to mention the two tampering fines.
    In way over his head.
    I'm not sure what you're asking in the first paragraph but what I'm saying is just because you have a conclusion doesn't mean the person living the life has the same conclusion. In fact it would be unlikely seeing how he wouldn't be able to look at his own decisions objectively. Its easy for you to conclude these things and cast judgement because you're not in his shoes living it daily. You don't have an emotional investment, so yeah, I stick by what I said because its backed up by human nature.

    I also think you're exaggerating when you say they're on "the rocks", pretty dramatic there. Bron and Ball got hurt and they fell from 4th out of the playoffs. He rolled the dice on getting AD and it blew up in his face but Pelinka is the GM, he's in bed with the guy, its not just Magic and when you gamble sometimes you lose. Pelinka was there first and Magic wasn't allowed to fire him when he came on. This off season the team has all it needs to rebound: LeBron, cap space, prospects, top five lotto pick. Magic didn't walk away because he was scared, I don't buy it and it doesn't tie to the rumors which Magic himself confirmed today. So unless you think Magic is a dirty liar there's nothing more to cover.

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  • Zak24gege
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    Magic was in way over his head, he knew it and bailed.

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  • Demographic Shift
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    Apollo wrote: View Post
    Again, what you think of him and what he thinks of himself may be two different things. You might want to consider that possibility.

    He had a chance this summer to redeem himself. He had the pieces to do it. Whether he could or couldn't is another matter but he had the pieces. He caught everyone off guard by resigning. From what I read he resigned because he felt betrayed, not because he felt incompetent.
    Are you saying that despite reams of evidence to the contrary that if Magic Johnson self identify's as an overtly successful NBA GM then it is so because he thinks he is ?

    He would have had a chance to back the ship back off the rocks he steered them on but have to think it was the thinnest of possibilities.
    Players and their agents aren't thick. If it burns and it smells its a dumpster fire. And thats what the Lakers are right now.
    Its going to take an awful lot fabreeze to take out the smell from the Magic Johsnon NBA exec era.
    Did I forget to mention the two tampering fines.
    In way over his head.
    Last edited by Demographic Shift; Mon May 20, 2019, 02:48 PM.

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  • NoPropsneeded
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    I'd have to agree with Demo here. Magic had the luxury of capspace and LeBron wanting to sign with the Lakers, he made some big boneheaded mistakes. That AD blunder being one of the biggest, what kind of team president speaks openly about wanting another teams player? That alone just shows how out of place he was and how little he knows about being in an NBA front office. Being a legend does not mean you will be good at any role related to the league. Being a great player and being a great president are two totally different things with two totally different skill sets.

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  • slaw
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    Magic is a successful businessman as well. I think what that episode shows is that running an NBA is not a part time gig. You need to be in 100%. Also you need to be up to speed on the current NBA. Not sure Magic was either of those.

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  • Apollo
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    Again, what you think of him and what he thinks of himself may be two different things. You might want to consider that possibility.

    He had a chance this summer to redeem himself. He had the pieces to do it. Whether he could or couldn't is another matter but he had the pieces. He caught everyone off guard by resigning. From what I read he resigned because he felt betrayed, not because he felt incompetent.

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  • Demographic Shift
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    Apollo wrote: View Post

    Thanks but what does your opinion of his performance have to do with what he thought of himself? This is Magic Johnson were talking about. He's been mostly a winner his whole life. He's likely not viewing himself objectively like you might be. Fact is, he's Magic Johnson, he had LeBron, significant cap space, picks and prospects. He had everything working in his favor except for the behind the scenes in house garbage. He had to deal with the Rambis' and Kobe influencing Jeanie. He had Pelinka stirring descent within the building. Pelinka was undermining him. Since he left the team has been a disaster (and no they weren't a disaster before he left, they were 4th seed before injuries to Bron and Ball). Even if he's not a good President you can see things have gotten worse, right? It's because the same problem makers are still causing problems.
    So let me gently lob this back...

    I too like to think I have been a succesful all my life.... a significant other who can still stand me after a decade or so... doing ok at work to the point where I can take the xtended family on my dime to a nice vakay... .. yet.... I still don't think I am trudeau level arrogant enough that I can put on a surgical gown and do a stent implant at toronto general because of my good fortune on the aforementioned....

    Magic was a great player.. in the discussion of the top 5 all time....but that doesn't translate easily to the exec suite where he is an abject failure on the level of Melanie Joly

    A quick look at his body of work.....
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    - he dumped Brook Lopez who is an integral part of the Bucks success for nada
    - he dumped Russell like an extra packet of ketchup to the Nets to unload the Mozgov deal.... and he got incredibly lucky with the shit return of a 27th pick in the draft by picking up Kuzma.. which he didn't pick.. but his scouting staff did.. google the 25th to 30th players selected in that draft and tell me they didn't get shithouse lucky... cuz without Kuzma thats as lopsided a trade as it gets...
    - he let a 5th overall pick in Julius Randle go for nothing... to create cap space.. to sign the likes of Beasly ' Rondo , McGee , Stevenson and wound up holding his dick after he signed Lebron.. which may or may not work out...
    - he royally fucked up the negotiations with Dell Demps in NOLA by going all in on the first card for Anthony Davis..... he had nothing left to give when on the second round...and he lost the deal which he tried to negotiate through the media...
    - he alientated his younger core of players in Kuzma.. Ingram and Ball and perhaps even Hart with his failed trade attempt at AD... they weren't the same after the trade deadline... he tried to mollify them.... I think fuck off from a a rookie corps is the same as fuck off from a veteran core...
    - the Clippers and a pro exec with a track record in Jerry West laughed at him when he called them up to give them a promising young centre in Zubic.. he paid them to take him.. while holding on to the likes of JaVale McGee and Rajon Rondo and Lance Stevenson... uber idiots to the max.....

    Magic is a legend.. a HoF who has a place in the game forever as a player....
    but as an exec... he is rightly viewed as being at the level of sweeping out the aisles of popcorn and peanut husks post game.
    Last edited by Demographic Shift; Mon May 20, 2019, 12:55 PM.

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  • Apollo
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    Thanks but what does your opinion of his performance have to do with what he thought of himself? This is Magic Johnson were talking about. He's been mostly a winner his whole life. He's likely not viewing himself objectively like you might be. Fact is, he's Magic Johnson, he had LeBron, significant cap space, picks and prospects. He had everything working in his favor except for the behind the scenes in house garbage. He had to deal with the Rambis' and Kobe influencing Jeanie. He had Pelinka stirring descent within the building. Pelinka was undermining him. Since he left the team has been a disaster (and no they weren't a disaster before he left, they were 4th seed before injuries to Bron and Ball). Even if he's not a good President you can see things have gotten worse, right? It's because the same problem makers are still causing problems.

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  • Demographic Shift
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    Apollo wrote: View Post
    Magic had cap space to sign a superstar, enough assets to trade for another star. He wasn't perfect but he didn't step down because he ruined the team. In fact him stepping down hurt the team.
    Last edited by Demographic Shift; Mon May 20, 2019, 11:34 AM.

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