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  • Hotshot
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    Puffer wrote: View Post
    I think there would have been a list of eager applicants if Leonard and Green had already been on the team. I wonder how many guys are pissed off now that they didn't pick up the phone when he called, or pick up the phone to call him?
    NBA coaches need to trust Masai that he will take care of you and give you many chances while always upgrading the roster. Toronto has been one of the more stable organisations in the NBA in the last 5 years and that's music to the ears of coaches as well as assistents that are looking for a job security long terms (and avoiding Phoenix, Sacramento & Washington as much as possible)

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  • Puffer
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    Hotshot wrote: View Post
    Playoffs will help answer some of those questions.

    Lets not forget he is a rookie head coach who got hired before Lebron decided to leave The Cavs & before The Kawhi trade.

    Would Masai have gone a different route and had more success in luring coach Bud from Atlanta (who I believe was Masai's first choice) if he knew Kawhi was going to be on the team?! Those questions we cannot answer.
    I think there would have been a list of eager applicants if Leonard and Green had already been on the team. I wonder how many guys are pissed off now that they didn't pick up the phone when he called, or pick up the phone to call him?

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  • Hotshot
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    Raptor Jesus wrote: View Post
    Seems like many are challenging Nurse as the right call.
    Playoffs will help answer some of those questions.

    Lets not forget he is a rookie head coach who got hired before Lebron decided to leave The Cavs & before The Kawhi trade.

    Would Masai have gone a different route and had more success in luring coach Bud from Atlanta (who I believe was Masai's first choice) if he knew Kawhi was going to be on the team?! Those questions we cannot answer.

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  • DanH
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    Raptor Jesus wrote: View Post
    Seems like many are challenging Nurse as the right call.
    And more power to them. I need more of a track record before I start calling for anyone's head.

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  • Raptor Jesus
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    Uh, the worst tendencies Nurse has flashed have only approached how awful Casey was on a nightly basis. And there has been a lot of good stuff too.

    Sticking with Casey was definitively not the right call.
    Seems like many are challenging Nurse as the right call.

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  • DanH
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    NeedTristanThompson wrote: View Post
    Isn't boston a good team? I guess they've been losing a fair bit, but wouldn't they still, at least, be considered a "better" team in the East? As for the West, well, you can only play who's in front of you I suppose thus far - so we'll have to see once we face 'em (Pelicans aside ).

    On another note, well, is it too early to wonder if sticking with Casey was the right call? I don't know, Nurse has made a change or two such as moving JV to the bench, but other than that... Maybe this is just an overreaction to the Pistons game, but maybe, the Pistons game just showed us what the difference between the two coaches really is
    Uh, the worst tendencies Nurse has flashed have only approached how awful Casey was on a nightly basis. And there has been a lot of good stuff too.

    Sticking with Casey was definitively not the right call.

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  • NeedTristanThompson
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    GLF wrote: View Post
    That's what I was saying in the other thread. If we don't show this season that we can beat the better teams in both the East and the West our fait might end up the same as last playoffs. We haven't beat anyone good so far and that's a bit worrisome. But it is still early and we have been injured and pretty nonchalant to me in how we approach games. We also have new guys that still need to get more comfortable and new lineups we're trying. So I'll give it time.
    Isn't boston a good team? I guess they've been losing a fair bit, but wouldn't they still, at least, be considered a "better" team in the East? As for the West, well, you can only play who's in front of you I suppose thus far - so we'll have to see once we face 'em (Pelicans aside ).

    On another note, well, is it too early to wonder if sticking with Casey was the right call? I don't know, Nurse has made a change or two such as moving JV to the bench, but other than that... Maybe this is just an overreaction to the Pistons game, but maybe, the Pistons game just showed us what the difference between the two coaches really is

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  • Puffer
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    inthepaint wrote: View Post
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    Great comments ITP.

    I agree that most of the problems will shake out. I expect that to happen over the next 20 games as the team finds a bit of a groove. You could make a case for it being lucky that the injury bug has bitten the Raptors during a soft spot in the schedule. Hopefully things balance out with a healthy team when they play tougher opponents.

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  • Demographic Shift
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    Mitch P wrote: View Post
    League wide kind of a strange start to the season. Raptors aren't the only top level team showing inconsistency. The injuries, even though mostly to bench players, have been an issue. It's made the Raptors whom we thought were so deep look a lot less so; especially when FVV and Delon haven't been as good as we'd expected. I think the team is going to get much better if they can get healthy and when (if?) the offence becomes a little more structured. Kawhi was the go to guy in San Antonio for the last couple of years before he got injured and did run a lot of Demar like iso. It isn't my favourite type of basketball but it's certainly great to have a guy who can usually score at will if he isn't doubled. The bench doesn't seem to have it quite figured out yet but I also expect that to get better. I'm hoping the Bulls game was a start. I still think we win 60 and make the Finals.
    All those high draft picks going to the likes of the Kings, Magic, Dallas et al have made formerly not so tough wins into ..well..tough games. The only pieces of cotton candy on the schedule these days are the Suns..and until they get Dunn and Markkanen back ....the Bulls ...and ......the Knicks who are down a unicorn.

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  • inthepaint
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    Puffer wrote: View Post
    ...to determine what kind of a team the Raptors are?

    Mixed results so far. Obviously doing well, but some disappointing letdowns against teams that they should have beaten.

    Some questions:
    1. Who is Miles? Gunner or not. He slimmed down, came into the season with more energy and "spring in his step" according to the talking heads, and apparently lost his shot. Does he revert to the mean or is he turning into an anchor?
    If there are plays that will lead to him being open in the corner 3, he can help big time. If not, pretty much a reach-in foul machine with no much on the offensive end.

    2. Can JV learn to standup straight when a guard is at the foul line shooting a jump shot? He is constantly bent forward at the waist presenting a 6 foot barrier to shoot over, pretty much guaranteeing 2 points for the other team.
    He grew up with porous perimeter defence. So he hedges by trying to scare the guard, but keep his ass near the big. Ends up a lot of times not guarding either effectively. Should start to change now but won't be overnight
    3. Does Delon have another gear for his decision making? It is painful to watch him at the top of the 3 pt arc trying to decide what to do next on offense. Does Nurse have ANY set plays that Delon can run so he can stop trying to figure it out on his own?
    Delon will be alright. Much like FVV, he's struggled with an offence that seems to have fewer screens and more ISO, even though there's more spacing on the court. Still defending well
    4. When is Kawhi going to be healthy? Or do we have to get used to him playing 60% of the games in the regular schedule?
    After the All-star break
    5. Does Nurse have any sep plays for Kawhi, or does he have just make shit up after getting a pass? Looks a lot like he is using the Derozan playbook lately. He does, but Looks like he's giving Kawhi the freedom to settle on the team by doing what he (Kawhi) wants first, learning who he is a player more/his best spots, then will incorporate plays to enhance that
    6. Is Nurse experimenting or grasping at straws? So far the rotation and substitutions appear to be problematical, at best. I understand there have been injuries, but has Nurse decided it's more important to experiment than win games, since the Raptors have been maintaining a good position in the standings? I think he's neither experimenting (things look pretty constant aside from changes due to injuries), nor grasping at straws (because he's got a lot of options). But injuries have left him scrambling a bit, especially on that Boston game
    7. Will the real Fred VanVleet please standup? Who is occupying FVV's body. The guy from the Chicago game or the walking dead who appeared in multiple games in this early part of the season? See Delon Wright above
    8. Is Lowry really having a good time? I have listened to zero post game interviews with Lowry and have no inside knowledge so I am all ears. He should be having the time of his life; but where the hell has his shot gone? Lowry is loving every minute, we're on top right now. He's used to his shot coming and going and I bet he's fine. However, he won't have a lot of patience with Nurse if the offence doesn't maintain some of the healthier feel it had last year, especially when there's more space on the floor now.
    9. How can a team be good and still have this many unforced turnovers????? Somebody help me out.
    Trying to be too cute with passes. We've got good ball handlers and passers, even in the frontcourt. That will go away

    Having said all that, I believe that they are a shoo in for the NBA finals, but that is based on faith, not performance to this date. I will happily listen to any positive evidence that they can make it to the big dance.
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    Last edited by inthepaint; Tue Nov 20, 2018, 03:42 AM.

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  • Mitch P
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    League wide kind of a strange start to the season. Raptors aren't the only top level team showing inconsistency. The injuries, even though mostly to bench players, have been an issue. It's made the Raptors whom we thought were so deep look a lot less so; especially when FVV and Delon haven't been as good as we'd expected. I think the team is going to get much better if they can get healthy and when (if?) the offence becomes a little more structured. Kawhi was the go to guy in San Antonio for the last couple of years before he got injured and did run a lot of Demar like iso. It isn't my favourite type of basketball but it's certainly great to have a guy who can usually score at will if he isn't doubled. The bench doesn't seem to have it quite figured out yet but I also expect that to get better. I'm hoping the Bulls game was a start. I still think we win 60 and make the Finals.

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  • JawsGT
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    Thats the one thing that stands out to me, kawhi is basically playing very similarly to derozan on offence. The pull up 3s are the only real difference, amd of course kawhi tends to be more efficient. I'm not really sure what i may have expected, and it really shouldnt be a big deal. Every team needs a go to guy that can get his own shot in isolation or the PnR, amd we know we have a guy that won't shrink under the limelight. Plus he plays great D. Maybe i thought he'd be a better playmaker, but i have a feeling he is still trying to get himself going and get acclimated to the team given how little he played last year and mandatory rest days this year. FVV hasnt been as good ad expected, but pascal has been an unreal surprise, and who would have thought serge would play so well? Overall, im not concerned about the team, we are really good and only likely to get better.

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  • LJ2
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    It is too early to judge this team, but having said that I don't see the type of progress I thought I would see this many games into the season. Kawhi still seems to be playing a separate game from the rest of the team. When he sits they get everyone involved and play together. When Kawhi plays there is a lot more standing around and watching.

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  • CalgaryRapsFan
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    #5 (Leonard being used as DeRozan more often, hopefully not as a method to convince him this is 'his team' so he re-signs) and #6 (inconsistent lineups and substitutions being great for flexibility, but bad for building unit chemistry) are the issues I'm most concerned about.

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  • S.R.
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    It's far too early in the season to get a good test of this team vs an established team like GS. Toronto needs a lot more reps before they'll be up to potential.

    "We're just winning on talent" is a common criticism here now. We'll, that's exactly what happens when you have a brand new 1A guy who just missed a year of basketball, 3/5 of a new starting lineup, and a new coach. We want them to play like a well oiled contender? That takes time. A lot of it.

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