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Could we say that if Green wasn't part of the Deal the deal would be looking bad right now ?
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At the time perhaps a legitimate question. Writing after the last two games (Ls without Kawhi without question) not so much.
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Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View PostIf we had done the trade DanH and Barolt were suggesting we do leading up to it, which was something around DeMar+OG+1st for Kawhi and whatever contract works (not Green), it wouldn't look particularly great right now. We probably would be 3rd or 4th in the east and there would be a lot less optimism about Kawhi staying. Combine that with him missing games and people would be very upset about the trade.
The same trade without Green would have felt worse as well, but at least if Poeltl and not OG was going out you could accept it, since we wouldn't have dealt our highest value prospect (at the time, I think now it's Siakam) for 60-65 games of Kawhi (I think that's about how many he'll play this year).
That said, yeah, the team might have struggled some more if we had even fewer wings and still suffered the same number of wing injuries. Then again, this is a high bar we've set to compare to. I don't think we'd be lower than 2nd in the East anyway. Mayyyybe below Philly and third by a hair. I don't think any of us would be sitting here wishing we didn't make the trade.
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Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post...We probably would be 3rd or 4th in the east and there would be a lot less optimism about Kawhi staying. Combine that with him missing games and people would be very upset about the trade...
You are seriously ignoring the jump from the negative impact of DD's defensive problems to the positive impact of Kawhi's defensive positive impact.
Basketball is a game of "next man up." Not taking anything away from Green, but if he wasn't here, OG would be filling his role and probably having a bigger impact on the team than he is now. Not having Green doesn't cost the Raptors 4 games in the win column.
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If we had done the trade DanH and Barolt were suggesting we do leading up to it, which was something around DeMar+OG+1st for Kawhi and whatever contract works (not Green), it wouldn't look particularly great right now. We probably would be 3rd or 4th in the east and there would be a lot less optimism about Kawhi staying. Combine that with him missing games and people would be very upset about the trade.
The same trade without Green would have felt worse as well, but at least if Poeltl and not OG was going out you could accept it, since we wouldn't have dealt our highest value prospect (at the time, I think now it's Siakam) for 60-65 games of Kawhi (I think that's about how many he'll play this year).
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Great trade, hope we can afford to keep both Kawhi and Green at the end of the season...
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grindhouse wrote: View PostI have to say I like Danny green he is down to earth. He is our glue guy
By the way, in the 128–112 win over the Knicks, Green reached 1,000 3-pointers for his career.
Not all players can do that..
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guyroch wrote: View PostCould we say that if Green wasn't part of the Deal the deal would be looking bad right now . I am not saying we would be screaming bloody murder but we wouldn't be so ecstatic .
Not giving up OG was not having to amputate your leg to make the above happen.
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I have to say I like Danny green he is down to earth. He is our glue guy
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slaw wrote: View PostIt's hard to say, though. Without Green there would Wright have stepped up? Would Kawhi be sitting out as many games? Would Lowry be at the 2 more? Would FFV being with the starters more mean a better start? Would Miles have played better without Green pressing his minutes?
In any case, Green has been fantastic and is a welcome addition to the team. He reminds me a lot of what Anthony Parker brought to the team early on except he's a better player playing with better players.
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How people forget. 2 reasons why they did this trade:
1. Playoffs.
2. Even if Kawhi leaves, we get Demar off the books for next season.
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Nothing has changed - this is the best team the Toronto Raptors have ever put on the floor and even if it only lasts one season, the trade was worth it.
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Superjudge wrote: View PostNot really. Toronto has an awesome player in Kawhi, he's a bit rusty (he missed a whole year) but mean, he shows pretty amazing glimpses.
And Derozan is doing in SA exactly what he did here, and guess what, they are falling fast.
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guyroch wrote: View PostCould we say that if Green wasn't part of the Deal the deal would be looking bad right now . I am not saying we would be screaming bloody murder but we wouldn't be so ecstatic .
And Derozan is doing in SA exactly what he did here, and guess what, they are falling fast.
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