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  • Yuri Gagarin
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  • G__Deane
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    The Raptors have proven ALL year that they are not a dangerous three-point shooting team — at 34.1 per cent from three they rank 25th in the NBA — and against the Spurs they were just 6-of-30. What have they been in the last 10 games, 25%?

    Yes, some of the players will revert (higher) to the norm but counting on that making them among the leaders is fools gold - they aren't that good from the line. Kawhi, Lowry, Miles, Green, FVV and even Serge all had to be good. OG, JV, Norm?

    Last night, even "Green – battle hardened, playing in his home gym – seemed affected as he missed all seven shots he took and was -26, the worst on the night."
    Last edited by G__Deane; Fri Jan 4th, 2019, 12:23 PM.

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  • Shaolin Fantastic
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    KeonClark wrote: View Post
    I've said it before and I'll say it again. Coaches are overrated. You're really only as good as your best 2 or 3 players
    100% disagree. In basically every single major sport this is wrong.

    Are you just ignoring the Bucks right now or what? Didn't really make any major personnel changes besides Lopez and they're leaps and bounds better than last season. Coaching does matter and it does make a significant difference.

    I think the only time coaching doesn't make a difference is when you swap one mediocre coach for another one, which is what we've done by letting Casey go and hiring Nurse.
    Last edited by Shaolin Fantastic; Fri Jan 4th, 2019, 11:42 AM.

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  • KeonClark
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post
    He was COTM
    I've said it before and I'll say it again. Coaches are overrated. You're really only as good as your best 2 or 3 players

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  • G__Deane
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    KeonClark wrote: View Post
    Yeah, Serge needs his safety net of the 60/40 split, situational minutes. And most importantly, serge needs Kyle.

    Most of Kyle's assists came from running around basically using his 2 big men to score for him. He would do all the ball handling and getting it set and then once they're in the perfect spot, boom, easy 2 points. That was literally Kyle's m.o. this year. Even monroe would be getting easy points right now.

    I really really hope he's back against Milwaukee. Without Kyle and jv it appears we're a .500 team that just wins off individual huge kawhi games. Basically we're Charlotte with kemba. Its unacceptable and to me it's a knock on nurse. You cant be coty when your team becomes mediocre without 1 guy
    He was COTM

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  • G__Deane
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    Puffer wrote: View Post
    List of excuses on why this loss doesn't matter, not in order of importance:
    1. Pop was motivated to game plan the shot out of this one to vindicate himself as not being evil and careless with Kawhi
    2. DeMar was motivated to prove he's a winner and all his teammates wanted to win this one for him
    3. Lowry out
    4. JV out
    5. Some Raptors players shaken by all the media attention and importance the media had attached to a nationally televised game
    6. Nurse more focused on experimenting with roster than maximizing effectiveness
    7. Danny and Kawhi were nervous about playing back in San An, despite saying it was no big deal
    8. Fred being used inappropriately (see #6)
    9. Excessive nerves lead to specific mistakes - turnovers, passing up shots, missing shots, poor defensive decisions
    10. Statistical variance. Sometimes a bunch of stuff happens at the same time - brain farts, misses, stone hands etc.

    I think that covers it.

    There were lessons learned by players and, more importantly, the coaching staff.

    I would have preferred the win but the team, and I, can handle the loss.

    I believe at some point (hopefully starting this weekend) Nurse will stop the experimentation and start implementing what he and the coaching staff have learned and start refining roles, sets, and strategy.
    Real reasons are
    1/ Lowry out
    2/ JV out
    3/ 3 pt shooting is abysmal and this is an ongoing issue that we now can't assume will "work itslef out). But it can't stay exactly this bad, can it???

    The rest is fluff imo. They lost by 18, not exactly a massacre although it feels like they lost by a ton more and it felt like there was certainly a lack of execution. They weren't overwhelmed by the media or the spotlight or the moment or nerves imo. This stuff happens but the reality is, they're not THAT GOOD OF A TEAM right now. Too many players aren't playing up to potential right now but really, it's primarlily fron the three.

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  • The Great One
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    It's all about 3pt shooting. This team can't shoot. OG, Wright, Miles, Fred, Ibaka, Siakam, Powell....these guys are all horrendous shooters. If you're going to chuck 30 threes a game then you better have good 3pt shooters.

    Masai needs to address this.

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  • The Claw Reborn
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    Raptors already played a total of 40 games while the Bucks only played 36.

    Raptors were outside of their comfort zone for 21 games while the Bucks were away for only 16.

    This is going to be a battle this Saturday, I think its a must win...especially they already won the first two. HCA is very important.

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  • Other Scott
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    KeonClark wrote: View Post
    Yeah, Serge needs his safety net of the 60/40 split, situational minutes. And most importantly, serge needs Kyle.

    Most of Kyle's assists came from running around basically using his 2 big men to score for him. He would do all the ball handling and getting it set and then once they're in the perfect spot, boom, easy 2 points. That was literally Kyle's m.o. this year. Even monroe would be getting easy points right now.

    I really really hope he's back against Milwaukee. Without Kyle and jv it appears we're a .500 team that just wins off individual huge kawhi games. Basically we're Charlotte with kemba. Its unacceptable and to me it's a knock on nurse. You cant be coty when your team becomes mediocre without 1 guy
    I'm actually fine with the fact the Raptors are a mediocre offensive team without Kyle and JV. Those are two of the three most important offensive players on the Raptors most likely and those losses hurt.

    I'm not fine with the fact they're a mediocre defensive team. These players are better than that.

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  • KeonClark
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    golden wrote: View Post
    Yeah, but you were leading the charge saying that Serge is a full-time center, which he clearly is not. Basically, you wanted any reasonable facsimile of center not named JV (e.g. DoMo, lol). You must realize by now that you still need toughness in the middle, especially this year when big centers are back in vogue.
    Yeah, Serge needs his safety net of the 60/40 split, situational minutes. And most importantly, serge needs Kyle.

    Most of Kyle's assists came from running around basically using his 2 big men to score for him. He would do all the ball handling and getting it set and then once they're in the perfect spot, boom, easy 2 points. That was literally Kyle's m.o. this year. Even monroe would be getting easy points right now.

    I really really hope he's back against Milwaukee. Without Kyle and jv it appears we're a .500 team that just wins off individual huge kawhi games. Basically we're Charlotte with kemba. Its unacceptable and to me it's a knock on nurse. You cant be coty when your team becomes mediocre without 1 guy

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  • golden
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    Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    You do know JV is playing less minutes and loss his starting spot under Nurse. I guess Nurse obviously hates him too.

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    Yeah, but you were leading the charge saying that Serge is a full-time center, which he clearly is not. Basically, you wanted any reasonable facsimile of center not named JV (e.g. DoMo, lol). You must realize by now that you still need toughness in the middle, especially this year when big centers are back in vogue.

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  • G__Deane
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    Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    You do know JV is playing less minutes and loss his starting spot under Nurse. I guess Nurse obviously hates him too.

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    Casey used to inexpicably bench JV after scorching hot starts. Apples and oranges.....

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  • golden
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    sanyo wrote: View Post
    If you got rid of Casey, you needed to replace him with a name coach....Nurse isnt getting it done... he even admitted he didnt get the guys ready for last night -- thats inexcusable, considering you know this game was circled on the calendar for Kawhi and it's the small things like this that makes a guy like Kawhi question why he would ever sign in the off season when he can go play with Doc in LA...things need to change fast!
    Keep forgetting that Doc has an NBA championship and 2 Finals appearances under his belt. And then there's Jerry West. Damn.... these Clippers are really annoying.

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  • planetmars
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    sanyo wrote: View Post
    If you got rid of Casey, you needed to replace him with a name coach....Nurse isnt getting it done... he even admitted he didnt get the guys ready for last night -- thats inexcusable, considering you know this game was circled on the calendar for Kawhi and it's the small things like this that makes a guy like Kawhi question why he would ever sign in the off season when he can go play with Doc in LA...things need to change fast!
    It's hard to gauge a regular season game. Casey was great last year too but really failed in the playoffs. Nurse's problem is the talent he's playing with. I'm not really sure what he could have done differently. Delon isn't really a good offensive coordinator and no better than Fred really. Greg Monroe is awful so you have to give Serge more minutes just because that makes sense.

    What made Casey bad were those little moments that made you laugh when you saw them. Like CJ covering Love for like 3 or 4 possessions in a row.. or not double teaming Lebron when the game was on the line, etc. Or Bebe coming in and letting the Cavs go on a 10-0 run or whatever it was.

    Nurse can make mistakes, but he hasn't done anything that makes me want to scream at him.

    The biggest issue with the team is not coaching it's the talent. In my opinion Fred, Serge and CJ are seriously under performing. CJ will not whiff the playoffs so I'm not worried there. Lowry will move Fred back to the bench which should definitely help there. And I'm hoping that Lowry will be able to put Serge in a better position to succeed like he did early in the year. Or at worse we'll have JV to come in if Serge continues to struggle like he did last playoffs.

    As for Kawhi.... if he does leave I doubt it will because of games like last night. It will be because of his family. We are still a good team, and will still have home court in the first round and possibly the 2nd. You can't say the same about the Clippers this year.

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  • Puffer
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    List of excuses on why this loss doesn't matter, not in order of importance:
    1. Pop was motivated to game plan the shot out of this one to vindicate himself as not being evil and careless with Kawhi
    2. DeMar was motivated to prove he's a winner and all his teammates wanted to win this one for him
    3. Lowry out
    4. JV out
    5. Some Raptors players shaken by all the media attention and importance the media had attached to a nationally televised game
    6. Nurse more focused on experimenting with roster than maximizing effectiveness
    7. Danny and Kawhi were nervous about playing back in San An, despite saying it was no big deal
    8. Fred being used inappropriately (see #6)
    9. Excessive nerves lead to specific mistakes - turnovers, passing up shots, missing shots, poor defensive decisions
    10. Statistical variance. Sometimes a bunch of stuff happens at the same time - brain farts, misses, stone hands etc.

    I think that covers it.

    There were lessons learned by players and, more importantly, the coaching staff.

    I would have preferred the win but the team, and I, can handle the loss.

    I believe at some point (hopefully starting this weekend) Nurse will stop the experimentation and start implementing what he and the coaching staff have learned and start refining roles, sets, and strategy.

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