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2018-19 Trade Rumours and Discussion - Deadline February 7th 2019
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golden wrote: View PostThing is, if Kawhi, with only 1 potential post-season under contract didn't scare off Masai, then AD, with 2 post-seasons under contract has to have him licking his lips.
Remember when people were beating the drum about Masai being "risk averse"?
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golden wrote: View PostNo, Davis isn't like Carmelo Anthony putting the great stats but not a winning player. AD consistently has top 10 impact stats, driving wins. The only fair knock on him would be that he's constantly injured (which is the biggest risk in acquiring him). Jrue Holiday has also been injured, but he's finally healthy and has become another top impact guy. It's been the inability of management to build around those 2 that's made them a consistent 7-11 team - the worst type of treadmill there is.
Davis is pretty much like this generation's Kevin Garnett.
Im not even comparing AD to Melo, hes a legit top 5 guy in the league, im just saying the blame for not advancing to the playoffs has to be shared with him, even if you just want to call it injuries.
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golden wrote: View PostYeah, well the players will still have the "NBA brotherhood" which they say is bigger than basketball itself. That "NBA brotherhood" mantra that's so trendy with players nowadays is all about the top players scheming with each other against management. How is any non-marquee franchise supposed to create a family culture AND acquire the elite players necessary to win championships without the "NBA brotherhood" undermining it?
The reasons the Lakers and Celtics and the Bulls/Knicks used to get traction with the hackneyed 'winning' culture was the results hanging from the rafters doing the talking and heavy lifting. The ESPN hype machine churning out the clout.
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Scraptor wrote: View PostThere is really limited risk in making moves now in his sixth year with a giant rebuild potentially a few months away. Not changing the coach and keeping the same core for like five years is pretty risk averse.
As much as we all like to dump on the Casey/DD/Lowry core, there was progress every year and a reputation for consistent excellence that's the envy of probably 25 out of 30 franchises.
Risk averse? The window for acquiring Kawhi Leonard was open for like 10 minutes and we pounced on it. Man, we've gotten spoiled around here.Last edited by golden; Tue Jan 29, 2019, 04:36 PM.
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golden wrote: View PostThing is, if Kawhi, with only 1 potential post-season under contract didn't scare off Masai, then AD, with 2 post-seasons under contract has to have him licking his lips.
Remember when people were beating the drum about Masai being "risk averse"?
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Rudy Bargnani wrote: View PostIt’s nice not seeing posts about “Masai still evaluating”
Turns out, it takes multiple years to build a contender using a method other than free agency. Or tanking.
Think about that. Masai took a .400 win% team with a bunch of vets from colangelo and built a championship contender through nothing but trades and late round picks.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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Updated odds for what team Anthony Davis will be on for the first game of the 2019-2020 NBA regular season (BetOnline):
— OddsShark (@OddsShark) January 29, 2019
Celtics +150
Raptors +300
Lakers +300
Pelicans +500
Knicks +1000
76ers +1200
Warriors +1600
Rockets +2000
Spurs +2500
Thunder +2500
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Igolden wrote: View Post5 straight years of playoffs, 3 straight years of 50+, conference #1 seed, an ECF appearance, two 4-time all-stars, COY, etc..., etc..., for a franchise that was a laughing stock is risk averse? It's called continuous improvement and it was like clockwork.
As much as well all like to dump on the Casey/DD/Lowry core, there was progress every year and a reputation for consistent excellence that's the envy of probably 25 out of 30 franchises.
Risk averse? The window for acquiring Kawhi Leonard was open for like 10 minutes and we pounced on it. Man, we've gotten spoiled around here.
There is nothing to lose now. If Masai had been making changes during year 3 or 4 of the DD-Casey core no one would have called him risk averse.
In any case, just like the Casey firing, better late than never.
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Just trying to wrap my head around what the Raptors would look like the rest of the season with AD and without a bunch of our other current players. I noticed the "trade analysis" tool on Morning Coffee estimated the Raptors to have 10 less wins with the one package that included JV, Pascal and OG.
This is something I'm not reading much of when people are considering the different offers. When you "gut" a team to get AD will he immediately make up for all the losses? Superteams haven't always worked as expected. Are AD and Kawhi a better combination than AD and Giannis (I think so)? Frankly I wish we could get a faster, younger, penetrating point guard. I'm tired of watching Kyle and Fred get blocked or trapped inside with no where to go.
But I suppose "replacement level" players can always be found eventually and superstars like Kawhi and AD are so rare that opportunities to get them must be taken. I just hope if we don't get him he stays west. I might have to give up watching if he goes to the Celtics.
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planetmars wrote: View PostUpdated odds for what team Anthony Davis will be on for the first game of the 2019-2020 NBA regular season (BetOnline):
— OddsShark (@OddsShark) January 29, 2019
Celtics +150
Raptors +300
Lakers +300
Pelicans +500
Knicks +1000
76ers +1200
Warriors +1600
Rockets +2000
Spurs +2500
Thunder +2500
9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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Scraptor wrote: View PostI
Dozens of stars changed teams over the years we kept that same core that failed repeatedly in the playoffs. I mean we can rewrite history all we want now that the Kawhi deal is done, but Zach Lowe himself noted that Masai would not make deals unless he "really won", because he was averse to risk.
By the way, BOTH teams can and often do win deals. Those see great trades. And they happen, despite the obsession of media to call winners and losers.
If you're a gm that makes trades where he knows he doesnt win, you're peter chiarelli of the Edmonton Oilers. Hint: you dont wanna he peter chiarelli of the Edmonton Oilers. Hes no longer of the Edmonton Oilers.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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KeonClark wrote: View PostIf you're gonna put the celtics that high (they can't trade for him this year) that tells me overwhelming odds are that he isnt moving at the deadline
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planetmars wrote: View PostUpdated odds for what team Anthony Davis will be on for the first game of the 2019-2020 NBA regular season (BetOnline):
— OddsShark (@OddsShark) January 29, 2019
Celtics +150
Raptors +300
Lakers +300
Pelicans +500
Knicks +1000
76ers +1200
Warriors +1600
Rockets +2000
Spurs +2500
Thunder +2500
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